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   Intelligent Party to All   
   ABORTION: Pay $1,000 To Any Doctor Who A   
   11 Oct 20 20:19:42   
   
   XPost: alt.politics.usa.congress, alt.atheism, talk.politics.misc   
   XPost: alt.politics.usa.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republicans   
   From: Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com   
      
   There is no ghost, nor brain, in the human fetus for the first 14 weeks.  It is   
   thus immoral to not abort in the first 14 weeks.   
      
   Let us pay any doctor who performs an early term abortion, $1,000 Federal   
   dollars,   
   so that any woman can just walk in and get an abortion for free, no other   
   insurance needed.   
      
   Normal gestation is 40 weeks, giving the fetus 26 weeks, or 6 months to   
   develop,   
   under this plan.  People have memories of the womb five months before birth; it   
   should thus be considered as if a real baby would die if aborted, after the   
   first   
   3-4 months.  These same people, have memories of the afterlife before being in   
   the   
   womb.  There is life after death, and there is life before life.  You didn't   
   come   
   out of a zygote.   
      
   If an adult has a right to separate their accidentally connected body from   
   another   
   adult, if the other shall die, is how the question should be looked at, in the   
   second trimester on, though the ghost enters the fetus at various times   
   subsequent   
   to the first trimester, and in some cases, not until the moment of birth.  You   
   must presume somebody may die after the first trimester, because somebody may.   
      
   Anti-abortion has been winning, and there are half as many abortions now,   
   700,000   
   per year, as in the 1990's, 1,400,000 per year, and overpopulation is the   
   scourge   
   of our nation!   
      
   There are 1.5 million unplanned children, born every year in America.  That is   
   15   
   million people per decade, and 60 million people in 40 years.  In the 13 years   
   of   
   K-12, that is 19.5 million people x $12,000 per pupil for K-12 =   
   $234,000,000,000   
   per year.  In 5 years, that's over $1 Trillion extra spent.  In a decade, $2   
   Trillion, in 5 decades, $10 Trillion dollars.  On K-12 alone.   
      
   It's far cheaper to abort.  Let us pay $1,000 Federal dollars, to any doctor   
   who   
   performs an early term abortion, so that any woman can just walk in and get an   
   abortion for free, no other insurance needed.  There are 2.5 million unplanned   
   pregnancies per year (not counting nearly 1 million miscarriages), and $1,000 x   
   2.5 Million = $2.5 Billion per year.   
      
   Any sane civilization begins with population planning (and sanitation).   
      
   90% of all abortions take place in the first three months, presently, anyway.   
      
   There is life after death, and there is life before life.  You didn't come out   
   of   
   a zygote.  Let us abort sanely, in the first trimester, before the fetus is a   
   living baby, and make the world a better place.   
      
   After the first trimester, you must presume somebody is going to die, because   
   the   
   fetus may be a living baby, and somebody may die.  If an adult was accidentally   
   attached to you, and would die if you did not let them eat your body for six   
   months, would you let them live?   
      
   If two men are accidentally attached, and one will die, if detached, does that   
   one   
   have the right to eat the other's body for six months before the second   
   detaches   
   himself from the other?  Even if so, abortion should still be looked at this   
   way,   
   because both individuals are living people, and one will die, and should not be   
   considered a dead corpse before detachment, thus influencing the second's   
   decision, even if they have a right to do so.  Would you  jump into an icy cold   
   river to save a drowning baby, if you knew you might die?  Is a similar   
   question,   
   and letting someone eat your body for six months is onerous, and there's no   
   reason   
   to presume the mother cares about this stranger baby who is a fetus.   
      
   If an adult was accidentally attached to you, and would die, if you did not let   
   them eat your body, for six months, would you let them live?  Appears to be   
   what   
   the political/legal/moral question comes to.  And one might let that person   
   live,   
   even if they believed in their right to not do so.   
      
   But if they thought it was a dead body attached to them, obviously they'd just   
   abort.  But that's not what a baby should be considered after the first   
   trimester,   
   because it may very well be a living baby.  Thus if it's just a dead body   
   attached   
   to them in the first trimester, and science says there is no brain, and   
   reincarnation memories suggest there is no ghost, then it is immoral not to   
   abort   
   if you don't want a baby.  Just as, reckless unsafe sex is immoral, but we do   
   not   
   condemn a mother after the fact.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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