From: rdhallman224@gmail.com   
      
   In a debate between an atheist and a believer who believes in   
   Intelligent Design, the IDest stated that in the beginning the universe   
   had to have a cause. And that cause is the eternal God. The atheist   
   responded, you say God is eternal, then why can't the universe be   
   eternal? Of course, if the universe is eternal, there's no need for a   
   cause and no need for an eternal God. But if there was a beginning, then   
   there must have been a cause according to the law of cause and effect.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)