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   Intelligent Party to Intelligent Party   
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   04 Sep 21 12:14:56   
   
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   From: Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com   
      
   On 6/26/2021 12:23 PM, Intelligent Party wrote:   
   > Selling Contagious Poison, As Food And Recreation, Is My Big Question To   
   America   
   >   
   > Consumers are not even warned?   
   >   
   > Employees are not even informed the job is to get COVID?   
   >   
   > Waiters don't produce equity.  After the service is over there is nothing to   
   show   
   > for it.   
   >   
   > Rather than "Non-Essential Services," "Commercial Entertainment Services"   
   should   
   > be eliminated.   
   >   
   > People TOIL for others entertainment, and amusement?  Work is CREATED this   
   way?   
   >   
   > We let people take this big risk for entertainment which doesn't create any   
   equity?   
   >   
   > At least people in a movie, create a movie we have for 100 years.   
   >   
   > "Commercial Entertainment Services:" I am talking about Broadway, Circuses,   
   Vegas   
   > Shows, The Opera, Waiters, and Whores.   
   >   
   > If there is a substitute product, such as take-out for dine-in, then total   
   > prohibition may be alright.  We should endeavor to not create an illegal   
   market,   
   > but whores don't produce anything.  Sex and property are the mountain   
   between us.   
   > So the lack of a substitute product seems to go to just whores, and I'm not   
   saying   
   > we should or shouldn't have them, but I don't agree with punishment.   
   >   
   > Health Clubs are not even close to the same basket as "Commercial   
   Entertainment   
   > Services."   
   >   
   > Then there's haircuts, pedicures, and gardeners.  The work they provide   
   doesn't   
   > last for long.   
   >   
   > I think I may never hire another waiter in my life.  That's not the sort of   
   job I   
   > like to provide.  I understand the Restaurant industry is huge.  It is also   
   > apparently a huge waste.  Do you want to finance more kitchens for quality   
   > take-out, or more Restaurants?  We can only spend so much, and we don't have   
   > property at the bottom.  Waiters, rather, should be producing equity, or   
   going to   
   > school for free.  Waiters could be allowed to spend the same without   
   working, and   
   > it wouldn't do anything at all to the economy, people would just not 'enjoy'   
   waiters.   
   >   
   > The governments would pull poisonous lettuce off the shelves, but there   
   would be   
   > other lettuce for sale.  They pulled Tryptophan, which killed several   
   people, off   
   > the shelves for ten years, without a substitute product; do you think that   
   was   
   > wrong?  COVID is not just poisonous food for sale at Restaurants; COVID is   
   > contagious poisonous food for sale at restaurants.  The government prohibits   
   > poisonous drugs to be sold as recreational party-fun.  COVID is not just   
   poison   
   > sold as recreational party-fun; COVID is contagious poison sold as   
   recreational   
   > party-fun.   
   >   
   > Selling contagious poison, as food and recreation, is my big question to   
   America.   
   > And taking such a big health risk, for entertainment, which doesn't produce   
   any   
   > equity.  But actually my question is why have such "Commercial Entertainment   
   > Services" work, allowed in the first place.  That's what we want to trade?    
   So the   
   > waiter can go out to eat, if there ever is a post-COVID?  It's not going to   
   make   
   > us rich.  Instead he could produce, and buy, a nicer dinning room table.   
   Rather   
   > than endless toil.   
   > (And porn-stars, unlike whores, yet like a table producer, and like a movie   
   star,   
   > produce a product.  Still, the general principle of employment law, is the   
   work   
   > ought not be unnecessarily dangerous, unnecessarily unsanitary, unnecessarily   
   > injurious, nor unnecessarily painful.  So, as to professional sports, they   
   only   
   > sort of produce a product.  I doubt they'll start playing flag football in   
   place   
   > of NFL, or get rid of boxing anytime soon, but the purpose of Ultimate   
   Fighting   
   > was supposedly to figure out which martial art works best; and have they   
   figured   
   > that out?, and do we really need Ultimate Fighting?  They can keep the   
   > bull-fighting in Mexico, or else we'll have dog fighting and cock fighting   
   and   
   > other such stuff soon here.  (Animal cruelty, is not a legal persuasion.)    
   And yet   
   > these Sports barely produce a product, too; like you watch reruns of the NFL   
   or   
   > Olympics much.  If you want to play High School for free, or intramural,   
   that's   
   > another matter.  But the two issues are: employed to commit self-harm; and,   
   > working for other's amusement producing no equity.)   
   >   
   > Making salaries more equitable, could be another way to address the matter.    
   Based   
   > on the above, you couldn't ever have a servant for a Birthday party, nor a   
   > Wedding.  Yet still, do you need one?  But having to pay more equitably,   
   that is   
   > every person more equal consumption, for an hour worked; could mean not   
   > frivolously employing a waiter, vs. not paying an NFL star to risk his life.   
   While   
   > we all need to hold equity and savings, we could all consume the same, but   
   some   
   > person owns the Empire State Building.   
   > But even with slave labor, Waiters don't build the economy, and a lot of   
   what is   
   > going on right now *is* about building the economy.  At least slaves would   
   build   
   > real equity.  Waiters will not.  So while one way of solving the problem   
   could be   
   > paying more equal consumption per hour worked, thus we would not frivolously   
   > employ, nor compel risk taking, for pay, nor high pay, we do need, at the   
   same   
   > time, to hold capital savings in private hands.   
   >   
   > All the above said; working to commit the self harm of risking COVID, and   
   building   
   > no equity, while doing so, both at the same time, is really the big issue   
   here.   
   > There's no argument in my mind that it's ludicrous.  Even so, people need   
   jobs,   
   > but it would be/should be, COVID that put them out of a job, but I guess   
   people   
   > merely take risks for money, which is serious, when they have no other   
   option.   
   >   
   > It's more the fruits of our Capital, that produces, than our labor.  Maybe   
   > ex-waiters, and the like, should just have free cash to spend, to a degree.    
   With   
   > still more incentive than that, to earn, as we need to finance Capital and   
   > Intellectual Capital - School, to make the Country yet wealthier.... Perhaps   
   money   
   > if you're trying to get to School, or are going to school.  The   
   Macro-Economy is   
   > at stake here.   
   >   
   > A movie theater can be run by a few people, serving hundreds.  And let's not   
   > confuse Commercial Entertainment *Services*, with Commercial Entertainment   
   > *Capital*.  We do want Big Screen T.V.'s right?  For if we went to   
   prohibiting   
   > Capital, it could be anything... from Children's Toys to Christmas Trees.   
   Anything   
   > that you enjoy.  Still, jewelry made out of Gold is a colossal waste. People   
   die   
      
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