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   From: Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com   
      
   Women have an absolute right to separate from their fetuses at all times.    
   Women   
   with twenty weeks to abort, will be committed to their pregnancy, and not abort   
   after twenty weeks, unless the baby is handicapped or dying.  Women with less   
   than   
   twenty weeks to abort, may still be seeking abortions after twenty weeks.    
   This is   
   significant, because I believe there is no human spirit in the zygote from the   
   point of conception to seventeen or twenty weeks.  Life after death is real,   
   and   
   every religion confirms reincarnation.  After twenty weeks, the spirit comes   
   into   
   the fetus at a different and indeterminate time up unto birth.  This is my   
   belief.   
      
   The ONLY women who will abort after twenty weeks, besides those DENIED   
   abortions   
   before twenty weeks, are those who's babies are handicapped or dying. As to   
   handicapped, should we really bring people into this world, and tell them to   
   live   
   handicapped their whole lives, without total bodies?  What do we live for?  Why   
   incarnate at all?  1) Our bodies, 2) our minds, 3) our property, 4) our   
   friends,   
   5) our careers.  Life is just about science, art, and friends.  So if you are   
   like   
   Stephen Hawking, OR have some really beloved friends, maybe you have a point.   
   Otherwise miracles, or death seem the answer.  And anyone could potentially   
   reincarnate and be eight in eight years, if with amnesia.   
      
   The fetus DOES NOT, own the woman's body.  The woman's body is her own.    
   Whether   
   the woman intended to get pregnant but changed her mind, had an accident, or   
   whether if hypothetically the baby attached itself up to the woman in her   
   sleep,   
   against her will from the beginning, BLAME has no place here.  Porn stars are   
   at   
   risk of pregnancy, as a career.  Rape victims cannot be blamed, yet how does   
   that   
   give you any more right to kill a fetus.  The father doesn't have to carry the   
   baby at all.  The body is the woman's body, and that is one of the most   
   fundamental things.  Mothers and Fathers are not obligated to attach themselves   
   back up to their children to save their lives later in life, nor are they   
   obligated to give them a kidney.   
      
   Unplanned childbirth is the scourge of nations.  Even WITH ABORTION LEGAL,   
   37.5%   
   of our society was unplanned.  1.5 million of 4 million babies born total every   
   year, were unplanned and not conceived intentionally.  Allowing babies to live   
   is   
   killing grown men.  For every 1% unemployment goes up, 40,000 people die.    
   There   
   are currently 6 million unemployed, and only 2 million people on unemployment   
   insurance.  There are no homes built and no business equity produced for the   
   extreme increase in population.   
      
   Two grown men do each, have a right to separate from the other, as they were   
   NOT   
   Siamese twins, both born owning the entire body, at birth.   
      
   For instance, if I needed a kidney, and it was not going to be available for   
   six   
   months, and I was like, "bro, the doctors said I'm going to die in the next few   
   days, if I'm not hooked up to somebody," Would you hook up to me?  No, you   
   would   
   be like, "sorry bro, I don't know what you're going to do."   
      
   But if I needed a kidney, and it was going to be available in two weeks, and I   
   was   
   like "bro, the doctors said I'm going to die in the next few days, if I'm not   
   hooked up to somebody," if you were my friend, you could be like, "okay, we're   
   going to do this.  We'll sit and watch T.V., or in the hospital for two weeks."   
   And so then, we hooked up, and then the doctors were like, "that kidney is bad.   
   There's not going to be a kidney for eight months."  You would be like, "uhm,   
   we're not going to be hooked up for eight months.  We're disconnecting."  And   
   at   
   my funeral, THEY could be like "Dude! he's dead cause of you!," and you could   
   be   
   like "any of you could have attached up to him for eight months (you even had a   
   few days to do it), but you didn't!"   
      
   This proves you have a right to detach from a grown man, and thereby the right   
   to   
   detach from a fetus that is a living baby, and therefore a person, even though   
   it   
   is is no longer a cadaver, even after a human spirit has come into it.   
      
   When the preemie comes out early, and it's possible, are you going to put the   
   preemie BACK IN the MOTHER, or attach it up to the FATHER?  I mean, some   
   parents   
   might very well want to save their child.  But prohibition of abortion is as   
   if to   
   perpetrate this is an additional REQUIREMENT.   
      
   And women forced to not abort are forced to be surrogate mothers without pay.   
      
      
   Also, being born with poor parents who didn't want you, is perhaps like being   
   born   
   handicapped.  There are too many orphans and children of bad parents, mothers   
   thirteen, fathers in prison, both are on drugs, in the world.   
      
      
   You see the bodies in the movie Avatar in the incubation tanks, moving around,   
   with no higher consciousness in them.  Just because the fetus kicked doesn't   
   mean   
   it's conscious yet.  https://youtu.be/5PSNL1qE6VY?t=88  It may or may not be,   
   and   
   how would we know?  Just speculation.  You know?  I don't.  You can convince   
   me?   
      
   If there's no human spirit in the zygote yet, it's absolutely immoral to NOT   
   abort, because that's like getting pregnant!  There's no human spirit in the   
   first   
   17-18 weeks.   
      
   Prohibition, and a free country are antithetical.   
      
   People prohibiting abortion and other things are criminals as surely as Hitler   
   was   
   a criminal to prohibit Judaism, and mass incarcerate the Jews.   
      
   You own your body, and no one has any rights over it, and that's a FACT!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)