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   From: nomail@invalid.invalid   
      
   In article <2rs43i1cs7g6r661rrq234pj0ngcc4s7k9@4ax.com>,   
   twang@the.noodle says...   
   >   
   > Skeeter wrote:   
   > > twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > > Skeeter wrote:   
   > > > > twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > > > > Skeeter wrote:   
   > > > > > > In article , sylvi   
   @email.invalid says...   
   > > > > > > > On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can   
   create itself.   
   > > > > > > > >   It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be   
   here. No thing   
   > > > > > > > > can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Sylvia.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > He created it?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.   
   > > >   
   > > > So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an   
   > > > eternal universe.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > Twist it around as usual.   
   >   
   > You said it, not me.   
   >   
   > >  If it was created it cannot be eternal.   
   >   
   > Of course it can.  Any omnipotent god can create   
   > something that lasts forever.  If he can't, he's not   
   > omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.   
      
   If it was created it had a beginning.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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