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   Michael McLean to El Kabong   
   Re: HOPE but not faith   
   10 Apr 23 09:04:04   
   
   XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism, talk.philosophy.humanism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic, alt.magick   
   From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com   
      
   On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:   
   > Skeeter wrote:   
   >> twang@the.noodle says...   
   >>> Skeeter wrote:   
   >>>> twang@the.noodle says...   
   >>>>> Skeeter wrote:   
   >>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...   
   >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...   
   >>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> In article , sylvia@email.invalid   
   says...   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create   
   itself.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>    It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be   
   here. No thing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> He created it?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an   
   >>>>>>> eternal universe.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Twist it around as usual.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You said it, not me.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   If it was created it cannot be eternal.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Of course it can.  Any omnipotent god can create   
   >>>>> something that lasts forever.  If he can't, he's not   
   >>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If it was created it had a beginning.   
   >>>   
   >>> So?   
   >>   
   >> Spnak!   
   >   
   > You are running away again, skeetzoid.   
      
   Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).   
      
   That is because you are a fool atheist, El Got Nothing on the train to   
   Nowhere!  :-).   
      
      
      
      
      
   Michael   
      
   --   
   Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.   
      
   Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were   
   YET sinners, Christ died for us.   
      
   Jeremiah 10:23  O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it   
   is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.   
      
   "To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."   
      
   "If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."   
      
   "What makes the bible the truth?  The resonance of God."   
      
   "All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving   
   God with all their heart, soul and mind.  An abomination.  Therefore,   
   sin is not what you do, it is what you are."   
      
   "Compromise will condemn you."   
      
   "There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."   
      
   "My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."   
      
   "You can't learn righteousness.  Haven't you had enough time already to   
   know that?"   
      
   "The way of truth is the testimony of life."   
      
   "I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall   
   where God intends."   
      
   "Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."   
      
   "You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all   
   live, by faith."   
      
   "It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."   
      
   "Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look   
   ahead."   
      
   "You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."   
      
   "Priority is everything."   
      
   "The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."   
      
   "There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander   
   it or to place it where it truly belongs."   
      
   "An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."   
      
   "Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to   
   an ignorant straw man."   
      
   "Wait, rest, be still, and know."   
      
   "No man can wash his own hands!!!"   
      
   "I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,   
   and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."   
      
   The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the   
   obvious).  So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"   
      
   "The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."   
      
   "Man is not the centre of being."   
      
   "Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."   
      
   "And then the Lord said, "I see everything."   
      
   "Man has no greater idol than his own will."   
      
   "Where is God hiding? He isn't."   
      
   "If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."   
      
   "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's   
   willingness to believe."   
      
   "Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,   
   and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."   
      
   "The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always   
   full of hope."   
      
   "The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass   
   through it so that you could play God."   
      
   "A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."   
      
   "The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.   
   Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.   
   Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection   
   in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb   
      
   "No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven.  Such   
   is the love of God."   
      
   "The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit   
   pretending he is the meaning of life."   
      
   "Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is   
   still according to my power," says the Lord.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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