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   From: nomail@invalid.invalid   
      
   In article ,   
   twang@the.noodle says...   
   >   
   > Michael McLean  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On 11/04/2023 4:52 pm, El Kabong wrote:   
   > > > Michael McLean wrote:   
   > > >> On 11/04/2023 8:23 am, El Kabong wrote:   
   > > >>> Skeeter wrote:   
   > > >>>> twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > >>>>> Michael McLean wrote:   
   > > >>>>>> On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:   
   > > >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:   
   > > >>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > >>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:   
   > > >>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article ,   
   sylvia@email.invalid says...   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing   
   can create itself.   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing   
   would be here. No thing   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into   
   "being."   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can,   
   because.....?   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He created it?   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> eternal universe.   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Twist it around as usual.   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>> You said it, not me.   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>>     If it was created it cannot be eternal.   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>> Of course it can.  Any omnipotent god can create   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>> something that lasts forever.  If he can't, he's not   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.   
   > > >>>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>>> If it was created it had a beginning.   
   > > >>>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>>> So?   
   > > >>>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>>> Spnak!   
   > > >>>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>>> You are running away again, skeetzoid.   
   > > >>>>>>   
   > > >>>>>> Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).   
   > > >>>>>   
   > > >>>>> I see how both of you do a lot of talking.   
   > > >>>>> It's your way of diving into the weeds when   
   > > >>>>> you can't hold your own.   
   > > >>>>>   
   > > >>>>> Why didn't you invent an omnipotent god?   
   > > >>>>>   
   > > >>>> If it has a beginning it can't be eternal. What is so hard about that?   
   > > >>>   
   > > >>> Nope.  Try again.   
   > > >>   
   > > >> Moron fool atheist!   
   > > >   
   > > > Nope.  Try again.   
   >   
   > > There you go, you self-created fool.   
   >   
   > Nope.   
   >   
   > You really struggle to focus, don't you.  Have you ever   
   > been evaluated for ADHD?   
      
   Why? because he thinks you're a self created fool?   
      
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