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   >>  > They were not all pretend > scientists like Wells, Nelson, Luskin,   
   >> Dembski and Meyer.  Both Behe and   
   >>> Minnich got tenure and became Professors at their respective   
   >>> universities.  Both fully understand what science actually is, and   
   >>> that is why their testimony during the Dover creationist fiasco was   
   >>> so dishonest.   
   >>   
   >> That is the point I was trying to make, although perhaps I did not   
   >> express it well.   
   >>   
   >>  > They both decided to prevaricate as much as the thought that > they   
   >> could get away with.  They both fully understood that there was not   
   >>> any ID science worth teaching in the public schools, but they tried   
   >>> to lie about it, and deny that they understood why the bait and   
   >>> switch had been going down 100% of the time for the previous 3   
   >>> years.  They had been in full support of using ID solely as bait for   
   >>> the previous 3 years.  Wells claimed that Minnich was there when the   
   >>> decision to start running the bait and switch was made.  Sternberg   
   >>> may have had a career in science, but he flushed it down the toilet   
   >>> in order to dishonestly support the ID scam.  The ID perps have been   
   >>> paying him a salary since 2007 as compensation for what he did for   
   >>> them, but his science output dropped to zero after joining the ID   
   >>> scam unit of the Discovery Institute.  Sternberg is a sad case.  He   
   >>> could not use his expertise to support the dishonest ID scam, so he   
   >>> spent about the next decade working on whale fossil gap denial.  Behe   
   >>> destroyed that effort by claiming that whale evolution was just the   
   >>> type of evolution expected to be due to natural selection.  It had   
   >>> obviously occurred by natural means, but it was a bad type of   
   >>> evolution that Behe's designer would have done differently.  A decade   
   >>> of bogus effort down the tubes.  Sternberg has had to work up some   
   >>> other angle since then. According to a recent article Sternberg is   
   >>> exploring "information beyond the genome".  What is really sad is   
   >>> that Sternberg was a taxonomist, and his work had likely fully   
   >>> supported biological evolution before he quit science in order to   
   >>> sell ID as bait.   
   >>>   
   >>> https://evolutionnews.org/2025/03/richard-sternberg-on-the-   
   >>> information- beyond-the-genome/   
   >>   
   >> I don't think we substantially disagree on any of this. If I came off   
   >> as arguing with you, my sincere apologies.   
   >>   
   >   
   > I do not view it as arguing, just discussing the topic.   
      
   Fair! Just wanted to be certain I wasn't coming off wrong.   
      
   (Also, this is abuse. Arguments are 12A, just down the hall.)   
      
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