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   >> using against biological evolution doing what it obviously has done   
   >> during the evolution of humans from the last single celled common   
   >> ancestor of extant life on this planet.  That really is the only way   
   >> that they have to demonstrate that their god was needed.  They want   
   >> their god to have been involved in the process, but they do not have any   
   >> positive evidence for such a claim.  They are going to be looking for   
   >> the same impossible evolution that Behe has always claimed exists.   
   >>   
   >> Ron Okimoto   
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   >>>> Ron Okimoto   
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   >>>>> You claimed that in their core values, they deny that natural   
   >>>>> mechanisms were ninvolved in evolution. They don't.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You claimed that their site supports "tweekers" but you can't say   
   >>>>> where.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You even try to argue that their views on things that are not   
   >>>>> "established findings of modern science" are somehow a rejection of   
   >>>>> science.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You have absolutely nothing to support your attacks on Biologos except   
   >>>>> your own febrile imagination, driven by your phobia that all   
   >>>>> "creationists" are the same, that there is no real difference between   
   >>>>> Southern Evangelicals and  Catholics and Anglicans and other   
   >>>>> mainstream religions, that they all reject science.   
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   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Ron Okimoto   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>> That is exactly what Saint   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Augustine warned against doing.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> This is just the next stage of science denial that some of them   
   will use   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> their acceptance of some of the science to cover up.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> That is pure conjecture on your part.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> It is what some of them are already doing.  Some have given up on   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>> science denial, but some are still looking for what they need to fit   
   >>>>>>>>>> their god into what has happened in nature.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> If they had given up on the science denial that Saint Ausgustine   
   warned   
   >>>>>>>>>> Christians about, it would not matter how biological evolution fit   
   into   
   >>>>>>>>>> their literal interpretation of the Bible.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Funny how you can't give even one specific example of such denial.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Some of them   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> likely have deistic notions like Denton, and do not require any   
   designer   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> interference with evolution, but some of them are tweekers like   
   Behe,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> and still remain under Saint Augustine's admonishment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> More conjecture on your part. Unless of course you can provide   
   >>>>>>>>>>> specific examples.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> They admit to it on their web site.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Where on their web site do they admit it?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Some of them are still tweekers   
   >>>>>>>>>> like Behe, and would be the same type of science denier as Behe is.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Yet again, you can't give a single specific example.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> In order to abide by Saint Augustine's admonishment they wouldn't   
   need to   
   >>>>>>>>>> limit biological evolution due to their Biblical beliefs.  They   
   claim   
   >>>>>>>>>> that their god made humans in his own image using biological   
   evolution..   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> You do understand that there is a theological debate about what "in   
   his   
   >>>>>>>>>> image" means, right?  So what literal belief are they supporting and   
   >>>>>>>>>> should they even be trying to support any of the interpretations?    
   Which   
   >>>>>>>>>> Biblical beliefs are they willing to falsify using science?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The reason you can't give any specific examples is that you are   
   >>>>>>>>> presenting their case upside down. They are not trying to *force* any   
   >>>>>>>>> science into anything; to the extent that they are *forcing*   
   anything,   
   >>>>>>>>> they are forcing their traditional Bible interpretation into   
   >>>>>>>>> accommodating what science tells us.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> St Augustine would undoubtedly have heartily endorsed what they are   
   >>>>>>>>> doing.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> These creationists are claiming that some of the existing science   
   is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> consistent with their Biblical interpretation, but it is not   
   consistent   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> with what other creationists believe.  If we rewrote the Bible   
   today   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> with our current understanding of cosmology we would still be   
   wrong   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> about some things, and they would have to be rewritten at some   
   later   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> date.  Saint Augustine's admonishment makes it unnecessary to   
   rewrite or   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> reinterpret the Bible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Ron Okimoto   
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