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   >>>>>>>>> that, but as I indicated there are somethings about evolution that   
   have   
   >>>>>>>>> not been established because they claim to be tweekers like Behe, and   
   >>>>>>>>> their god has been tweeking things in order to make humans into his   
   own   
   >>>>>>>>> image.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I'm still waiting for an example of those tweekers. And why do you   
   >>>>>>>> keep bringing Behe into it? He has nothing to do with Biologos or they   
   >>>>>>>> with him. They actually have a lengthy article about his "Darwin's   
   >>>>>>>> Black Box" book where they go through his arguments one by one and   
   >>>>>>>> show how they don't stand up.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> How do you expect god to have made man in his own image without   
   >>>>>>> tweeking?  They likely even differ in what they think image means.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/how-can-evolution   
   account-for-the-complexity-of-life-on-earth-today   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> The example was in their description of what they   
   >>>>>>>>>>> believed.  They believe that the Bible is the "inspired and   
   >>>>>>>>>>> authroitative word of God" and "First, that God created all things,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> including human beings in his own image.".  You have to read their   
   web   
   >>>>>>>>>>> site to learn that some of them are tweekers that claim that their   
   god   
   >>>>>>>>>>> was involved in guiding the evolution of life on earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I have read their web site and I see nothing anywhere about forcing   
   >>>>>>>>>> biological evolution into conforming with their   
   >>>>>>>>>> Biblical interpretation. Feel free to point it out if I have missed   
   >>>>>>>>>> it.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You must have missed the part about tweekers,   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It's a big site and I can't find anything about tweekers. Please quote   
   >>>>>>>> what they actually say or at least point me to the actual part of the   
   >>>>>>>> site where they say it.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    From the link that I originally put up:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/how-is-biologos-di   
   ferent-from-evolutionism-intelligent-design-and-creationism   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>> BioLogos believes that science is limited to explaining the natural   
   >>>>>>> world, and that supernatural events like miracles are part of reality   
   too.   
   >>>>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/what-is-evolutionary-creation   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> This comes after the quote about evolutionary creationism that I   
   >>>>>>> originally put up.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>> We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he does in   
   >>>>>>> our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain   
   creation.   
   >>>>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Tweekers acting purposefully in creation that they include life as part   
   >>>>>>> of the creation.  The reason to believe exIDiots also believe that   
   their   
   >>>>>>> god is still working on the creation.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> and the claims that their   
   >>>>>>>>> god evolved humans in his own image.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> How does that contradict science?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> They do not have to contradict science, just make the same claims about   
   >>>>>>> limits of natural processes that Behe does about the flagellum.  Like   
   >>>>>>> these guys Behe understands that evolution is a fact of nature, but   
   that   
   >>>>>>> doesn't stop him from his science denial attempts.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You claimed that they trying to force biological evolution into   
   >>>>>> conforming with their Biblical interpretation but can't produce a   
   >>>>>> single example of that.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Why lie about something like that when you can just go up this post and   
   >>>>> see the examples quoted out of the original links that I put up?   
   >>>>> Wanting to live in denial is no excuse for lying.  Made in his own image   
   >>>>> is a Biblical interpretation, and they claim that biological evolution   
   >>>>> was used to do that.  It is no different from Behe claiming that his god   
   >>>>> was responsible for creating the flagellum in an evolutionary context.   
   >>>>> There is no evidence that some god used evolution to do any such thing.   
   >>>>> They have no other means than Beheian science denial to support any god   
   >>>>> involvement in the evolution of humans in any specific way.  There is no   
   >>>>> scientific evidence that humans evolved to be what they are due to the   
   >>>>> influence of some god.  If they believe that there is, they are in the   
   >>>>> same category of science denial as Behe.  What do the other quotes tell   
   >>>>> you about their adherence with literal Biblical interpretations.  Behe   
   >>>>> lies about why he puts up his denial, but these guys say straight out   
   >>>>> that they believe what they believe because the Bible tells them so.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You still can't give even a single example of the things you have   
   >>>> accused them of. QED   
   >>>   
   >>> Why do you insist on continuing to lie.  The examples were given and are   
   >>> still in this post.  I took the quotes right out of the links that I   
   >>> gave to start this thread.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> You are the one who is telling lies, there are no examples in what you   
   >> quoted. You could simply prove me wrong by requoting the examples but   
   >> you cannot because they do not exist. Beats me why you continue to   
   >> make an idiot of yourself by claiming something exists when it doesn't   
   >> and people can see that.   
   >   
   >You should not keep lying.  You ignored the material that I quoted.  You   
   >didn't have to find it, just confirm that those quotes came from the   
   >material that you were lying about.   
   >   
   >Just go back up the post and lie where the quotes were put up.  You   
   >could not do that before, and you likely can't do it now because you   
   >can't face how you have been lying.  Why would I have to requote what   
   >you know that you are lying about, and the quotes still exist in this post?   
      
   You can't requote it because there is nothing there denying that   
   natural mechanisms were involved in evolution or that they support   
   tweaking.   
      
   Why keep saying that there is something there when nobody else can see   
   it? Do you not realise how much of an idiot it is making you?   
      
      
   >   
   >I will admit that this isn't as bad as you denying what your own trusted   
   >source said about heliocentrism being a heresy, but it is the same type   
   >of lame denial.   
      
   Yeah, the post where you made yourself out to understand Catholic   
   teaching better than the Catholic Church itself and you rejected the   
   views of respected historians and researchers in favour of a guy   
   promoting geocentrism. I'm surprised you want to remind people of that   
   piece of idiocy.   
      
   >   
   >Really, some of them believe that their god was active in the past, and   
   >active today with "miracles".  You know that they flat out make the   
   >literalist claim that their god made humans in his own image.  They are   
   >tweekers like Behe.  They believe that their god is still active today   
   >just like the Reason To Believe creationists are claiming that their   
   >designer is recreating lifeforms to make it look like they are still   
   >evolving.  Science can't support those claims, and they are subject to   
   >the same denial that Behe and the Reason to Believe creationists have to   
   >maintain.   
   >   
   >Ron Okimoto   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> They claim to believe that evolution was used by their god to create   
   >>> humans in their god's image.  That is a specific Biblical literalist   
      
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