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   >>>>>>>>> science, how is that contradicting science?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> They are claiming that their understanding of science can be made to   
   >>>>>>>> conform to their literal interpretations of the Bible.  It is the same   
   >>>>>>>> claim that the ID perps make except they agree that biological   
   evolution   
   >>>>>>>> is a fact of nature.  Some of them still think like Behe.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Not only   
   >>>>>>>>>> that, but as I indicated there are somethings about evolution that   
   have   
   >>>>>>>>>> not been established because they claim to be tweekers like Behe,   
   and   
   >>>>>>>>>> their god has been tweeking things in order to make humans into his   
   own   
   >>>>>>>>>> image.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I'm still waiting for an example of those tweekers. And why do you   
   >>>>>>>>> keep bringing Behe into it? He has nothing to do with Biologos or   
   they   
   >>>>>>>>> with him. They actually have a lengthy article about his "Darwin's   
   >>>>>>>>> Black Box" book where they go through his arguments one by one and   
   >>>>>>>>> show how they don't stand up.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> How do you expect god to have made man in his own image without   
   >>>>>>>> tweeking?  They likely even differ in what they think image means.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/how-can-evolutio   
   -account-for-the-complexity-of-life-on-earth-today   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> The example was in their description of what they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> believed.  They believe that the Bible is the "inspired and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> authroitative word of God" and "First, that God created all   
   things,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> including human beings in his own image.".  You have to read   
   their web   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> site to learn that some of them are tweekers that claim that   
   their god   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> was involved in guiding the evolution of life on earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I have read their web site and I see nothing anywhere about forcing   
   >>>>>>>>>>> biological evolution into conforming with their   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Biblical interpretation. Feel free to point it out if I have missed   
   >>>>>>>>>>> it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> You must have missed the part about tweekers,   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> It's a big site and I can't find anything about tweekers. Please   
   quote   
   >>>>>>>>> what they actually say or at least point me to the actual part of the   
   >>>>>>>>> site where they say it.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>     From the link that I originally put up:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/how-is-biologos-d   
   fferent-from-evolutionism-intelligent-design-and-creationism   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>> BioLogos believes that science is limited to explaining the natural   
   >>>>>>>> world, and that supernatural events like miracles are part of reality   
   too.   
   >>>>>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/what-is-evolutionary-creation   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> This comes after the quote about evolutionary creationism that I   
   >>>>>>>> originally put up.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>> We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he does in   
   >>>>>>>> our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain   
   creation.   
   >>>>>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Tweekers acting purposefully in creation that they include life as   
   part   
   >>>>>>>> of the creation.  The reason to believe exIDiots also believe that   
   their   
   >>>>>>>> god is still working on the creation.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> and the claims that their   
   >>>>>>>>>> god evolved humans in his own image.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> How does that contradict science?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> They do not have to contradict science, just make the same claims   
   about   
   >>>>>>>> limits of natural processes that Behe does about the flagellum.  Like   
   >>>>>>>> these guys Behe understands that evolution is a fact of nature, but   
   that   
   >>>>>>>> doesn't stop him from his science denial attempts.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You claimed that they trying to force biological evolution into   
   >>>>>>> conforming with their Biblical interpretation but can't produce a   
   >>>>>>> single example of that.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Why lie about something like that when you can just go up this post and   
   >>>>>> see the examples quoted out of the original links that I put up?   
   >>>>>> Wanting to live in denial is no excuse for lying.  Made in his own image   
   >>>>>> is a Biblical interpretation, and they claim that biological evolution   
   >>>>>> was used to do that.  It is no different from Behe claiming that his god   
   >>>>>> was responsible for creating the flagellum in an evolutionary context.   
   >>>>>> There is no evidence that some god used evolution to do any such thing.   
   >>>>>> They have no other means than Beheian science denial to support any god   
   >>>>>> involvement in the evolution of humans in any specific way.  There is no   
   >>>>>> scientific evidence that humans evolved to be what they are due to the   
   >>>>>> influence of some god.  If they believe that there is, they are in the   
   >>>>>> same category of science denial as Behe.  What do the other quotes tell   
   >>>>>> you about their adherence with literal Biblical interpretations.  Behe   
   >>>>>> lies about why he puts up his denial, but these guys say straight out   
   >>>>>> that they believe what they believe because the Bible tells them so.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You still can't give even a single example of the things you have   
   >>>>> accused them of. QED   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Why do you insist on continuing to lie.  The examples were given and are   
   >>>> still in this post.  I took the quotes right out of the links that I   
   >>>> gave to start this thread.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> You are the one who is telling lies, there are no examples in what you   
   >>> quoted. You could simply prove me wrong by requoting the examples but   
   >>> you cannot because they do not exist. Beats me why you continue to   
   >>> make an idiot of yourself by claiming something exists when it doesn't   
   >>> and people can see that.   
   >>   
   >> You should not keep lying.  You ignored the material that I quoted.  You   
   >> didn't have to find it, just confirm that those quotes came from the   
   >> material that you were lying about.   
   >>   
   >> Just go back up the post and lie where the quotes were put up.  You   
   >> could not do that before, and you likely can't do it now because you   
   >> can't face how you have been lying.  Why would I have to requote what   
   >> you know that you are lying about, and the quotes still exist in this post?   
   >   
   > You can't requote it because there is nothing there denying that   
   > natural mechanisms were involved in evolution or that they support   
   > tweaking.   
      
   Why keep lying by making this claim when the quotes were already put up   
   and you could not deal with them when they were posted?   
      
   REPOST from above in this post:   
   You reposted these, so you know what they are claiming.   
      
   QUOTE:   
   Evolutionary Creation (EC) is a Christian position on origins. It   
   takes   
   the Bible seriously as the inspired and authoritative word of God, and   
   it takes science seriously as a way of understanding the world God has   
   made. EC includes two basic ideas. First, that God created all things,   
   including human beings in his own image. Second, that evolution is the   
   best scientific explanation we currently have for the diversity and   
   similarities of all life on Earth.   
   END QUOTE:   
      
   QUOTE:   
   The Identity of BioLogos   
   Core Values   
   Christ-centered Faith - We embrace the historical Christian faith,   
   upholding the authority and inspiration of the Bible.   
      
      
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