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   Rigorous Science - We affirm the established findings of modern   
   science,   
   celebrating the wonders of God's creation.   
      
   Gracious Dialogue - We strive for humble and thoughtful dialogue with   
   those who hold other views, speaking the truth in love.   
   END QUOTE:   
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   These guys are the same type of Biblical literalists that they have   
   among the ID perps.   
      
   REPOST:   
    From the link that I originally put up:   
      
   https://biologos.org/common-questions/how-is-biologos-different-   
   rom-evolutionism-intelligent-design-and-creationism   
      
   QUOTE:   
   BioLogos believes that science is limited to explaining the natural   
   world, and that supernatural events like miracles are part of reality too.   
   END QUOTE:   
      
      
   https://biologos.org/common-questions/what-is-evolutionary-creation   
      
   This comes after the quote about evolutionary creationism that I   
   originally put up.   
      
   QUOTE:   
   We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he does in   
   our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain creation.   
   END QUOTE:   
      
   Tweekers acting purposefully in creation that they include life as part   
   of the creation.  The reason to believe exIDiots also believe that their   
   god is still working on the creation.   
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   I just took these reposts right out of this post, so the formating may   
   be messed up.   
      
   You ran from the las quotes and started your lame denial.  These guys   
   are tweekers (They believe that their god created with miracles).  They   
   are no different than Behe in his claim that his god tweeked the   
   flagellum into existence.  They are claiming that their god made humans   
   in his own image, and that miracles were involved.  Behe never says how   
   his god did it, but these guys do (supernatural miracles).  The closest   
   Behe ever came to that, was his "puffs of smoke" admission.  All they   
   have are Behe's denial type claims to support their beliefs.  Probably   
   all of the ID perps also believe that their god made man in his own   
   image, and their human exceptionalism stupidity is the result of that   
   belief.  The Discovery Institute made human exceptionalism a full   
   departement of it's own at one point.   
      
   I just looked it up and it is still claimed to be The Center on Human   
   Exceptionalism.   
   https://humanexceptionalism.center/   
      
   It is junk that the ID perps claim supports intelligent design of   
   humans.  They believe that human exceptionalism supports their religious   
   beliefs of their god making man in his own image.  The ID perps use the   
   arguments to claim that there are things that biological evolution   
   cannot do.   
      
   You should have never run from the material and started lying.  Claiming   
   that you want me to requote the material is just stupid when it is still   
   in this post.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
      
   >   
   > Why keep saying that there is something there when nobody else can see   
   > it? Do you not realise how much of an idiot it is making you?   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> I will admit that this isn't as bad as you denying what your own trusted   
   >> source said about heliocentrism being a heresy, but it is the same type   
   >> of lame denial.   
   >   
   > Yeah, the post where you made yourself out to understand Catholic   
   > teaching better than the Catholic Church itself and you rejected the   
   > views of respected historians and researchers in favour of a guy   
   > promoting geocentrism. I'm surprised you want to remind people of that   
   > piece of idiocy.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Really, some of them believe that their god was active in the past, and   
   >> active today with "miracles".  You know that they flat out make the   
   >> literalist claim that their god made humans in his own image.  They are   
   >> tweekers like Behe.  They believe that their god is still active today   
   >> just like the Reason To Believe creationists are claiming that their   
   >> designer is recreating lifeforms to make it look like they are still   
   >> evolving.  Science can't support those claims, and they are subject to   
   >> the same denial that Behe and the Reason to Believe creationists have to   
   >> maintain.   
   >>   
   >> Ron Okimoto   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> They claim to believe that evolution was used by their god to create   
   >>>> humans in their god's image.  That is a specific Biblical literalist   
   >>>> claim.  They claim to be Biblical literalists that believe that miracles   
   >>>> apply in the past and present.  I do not know how you can stick with   
   >>>> your denial when these guys are as bad as Behe in their claims of their   
   >>>> god doing something.  Not just making specific claims like creating   
   >>>> humans in their god's image, but claiming supernatural miracles in order   
   >>>> to do it.  Even Behe doesn't claim supernatural miracles, he just claims   
   >>>> that he doesn't know how design was done.  There is no scientific   
   >>>> evidence for their literalist belief.  These guys have set themselves up   
   >>>> to continue the ID perp's denial about human evolution.  They are going   
   >>>> to be stuck with the same science denial that the ID perps have been   
   >>>> using against biological evolution doing what it obviously has done   
   >>>> during the evolution of humans from the last single celled common   
   >>>> ancestor of extant life on this planet.  That really is the only way   
   >>>> that they have to demonstrate that their god was needed.  They want   
   >>>> their god to have been involved in the process, but they do not have any   
   >>>> positive evidence for such a claim.  They are going to be looking for   
   >>>> the same impossible evolution that Behe has always claimed exists.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You claimed that in their core values, they deny that natural   
   >>>>>>> mechanisms were ninvolved in evolution. They don't.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You claimed that their site supports "tweekers" but you can't say   
   >>>>>>> where.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You even try to argue that their views on things that are not   
   >>>>>>> "established findings of modern science" are somehow a rejection of   
   >>>>>>> science.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You have absolutely nothing to support your attacks on Biologos except   
   >>>>>>> your own febrile imagination, driven by your phobia that all   
   >>>>>>> "creationists" are the same, that there is no real difference between   
   >>>>>>> Southern Evangelicals and  Catholics and Anglicans and other   
   >>>>>>> mainstream religions, that they all reject science.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is exactly what Saint   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Augustine warned against doing.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just the next stage of science denial that some of them   
   will use   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their acceptance of some of the science to cover up.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> That is pure conjecture on your part.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> It is what some of them are already doing.  Some have given up on   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> science denial, but some are still looking for what they need to   
   fit   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> their god into what has happened in nature.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> If they had given up on the science denial that Saint Ausgustine   
   warned   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Christians about, it would not matter how biological evolution   
   fit into   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> their literal interpretation of the Bible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Funny how you can't give even one specific example of such denial.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of them   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely have deistic notions like Denton, and do not require any   
   designer   
      
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