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   >>>>>>>>> They are claiming that their understanding of science can be made to   
   >>>>>>>>> conform to their literal interpretations of the Bible.  It is the   
   same   
   >>>>>>>>> claim that the ID perps make except they agree that biological   
   evolution   
   >>>>>>>>> is a fact of nature.  Some of them still think like Behe.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Not only   
   >>>>>>>>>>> that, but as I indicated there are somethings about evolution that   
   have   
   >>>>>>>>>>> not been established because they claim to be tweekers like Behe,   
   and   
   >>>>>>>>>>> their god has been tweeking things in order to make humans into   
   his own   
   >>>>>>>>>>> image.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I'm still waiting for an example of those tweekers. And why do you   
   >>>>>>>>>> keep bringing Behe into it? He has nothing to do with Biologos or   
   they   
   >>>>>>>>>> with him. They actually have a lengthy article about his "Darwin's   
   >>>>>>>>>> Black Box" book where they go through his arguments one by one and   
   >>>>>>>>>> show how they don't stand up.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> How do you expect god to have made man in his own image without   
   >>>>>>>>> tweeking?  They likely even differ in what they think image means.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/how-can-evoluti   
   n-account-for-the-complexity-of-life-on-earth-today   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> The example was in their description of what they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> believed.  They believe that the Bible is the "inspired and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> authroitative word of God" and "First, that God created all   
   things,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> including human beings in his own image.".  You have to read   
   their web   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> site to learn that some of them are tweekers that claim that   
   their god   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> was involved in guiding the evolution of life on earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I have read their web site and I see nothing anywhere about   
   forcing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> biological evolution into conforming with their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Biblical interpretation. Feel free to point it out if I have   
   missed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> You must have missed the part about tweekers,   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> It's a big site and I can't find anything about tweekers. Please   
   quote   
   >>>>>>>>>> what they actually say or at least point me to the actual part of   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>> site where they say it.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>     From the link that I originally put up:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/how-is-biologos-   
   ifferent-from-evolutionism-intelligent-design-and-creationism   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>> BioLogos believes that science is limited to explaining the natural   
   >>>>>>>>> world, and that supernatural events like miracles are part of   
   reality too.   
   >>>>>>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/what-is-evolutionary-creation   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> This comes after the quote about evolutionary creationism that I   
   >>>>>>>>> originally put up.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>> We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he does in   
   >>>>>>>>> our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain   
   creation.   
   >>>>>>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Tweekers acting purposefully in creation that they include life as   
   part   
   >>>>>>>>> of the creation.  The reason to believe exIDiots also believe that   
   their   
   >>>>>>>>> god is still working on the creation.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> and the claims that their   
   >>>>>>>>>>> god evolved humans in his own image.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> How does that contradict science?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> They do not have to contradict science, just make the same claims   
   about   
   >>>>>>>>> limits of natural processes that Behe does about the flagellum.  Like   
   >>>>>>>>> these guys Behe understands that evolution is a fact of nature, but   
   that   
   >>>>>>>>> doesn't stop him from his science denial attempts.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You claimed that they trying to force biological evolution into   
   >>>>>>>> conforming with their Biblical interpretation but can't produce a   
   >>>>>>>> single example of that.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Why lie about something like that when you can just go up this post and   
   >>>>>>> see the examples quoted out of the original links that I put up?   
   >>>>>>> Wanting to live in denial is no excuse for lying.  Made in his own   
   image   
   >>>>>>> is a Biblical interpretation, and they claim that biological evolution   
   >>>>>>> was used to do that.  It is no different from Behe claiming that his   
   god   
   >>>>>>> was responsible for creating the flagellum in an evolutionary context.   
   >>>>>>> There is no evidence that some god used evolution to do any such thing.   
   >>>>>>> They have no other means than Beheian science denial to support any god   
   >>>>>>> involvement in the evolution of humans in any specific way.  There is   
   no   
   >>>>>>> scientific evidence that humans evolved to be what they are due to the   
   >>>>>>> influence of some god.  If they believe that there is, they are in the   
   >>>>>>> same category of science denial as Behe.  What do the other quotes tell   
   >>>>>>> you about their adherence with literal Biblical interpretations.  Behe   
   >>>>>>> lies about why he puts up his denial, but these guys say straight out   
   >>>>>>> that they believe what they believe because the Bible tells them so.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You still can't give even a single example of the things you have   
   >>>>>> accused them of. QED   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Why do you insist on continuing to lie.  The examples were given and are   
   >>>>> still in this post.  I took the quotes right out of the links that I   
   >>>>> gave to start this thread.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You are the one who is telling lies, there are no examples in what you   
   >>>> quoted. You could simply prove me wrong by requoting the examples but   
   >>>> you cannot because they do not exist. Beats me why you continue to   
   >>>> make an idiot of yourself by claiming something exists when it doesn't   
   >>>> and people can see that.   
   >>>   
   >>> You should not keep lying.  You ignored the material that I quoted.  You   
   >>> didn't have to find it, just confirm that those quotes came from the   
   >>> material that you were lying about.   
   >>>   
   >>> Just go back up the post and lie where the quotes were put up.  You   
   >>> could not do that before, and you likely can't do it now because you   
   >>> can't face how you have been lying.  Why would I have to requote what   
   >>> you know that you are lying about, and the quotes still exist in this post?   
   >>   
   >> You can't requote it because there is nothing there denying that   
   >> natural mechanisms were involved in evolution or that they support   
   >> tweaking.   
   >   
   >Why keep lying by making this claim when the quotes were already put up   
   >and you could not deal with them when they were posted?   
   >   
   >REPOST from above in this post:   
   >You reposted these, so you know what they are claiming.   
   >   
   >QUOTE:   
   >Evolutionary Creation (EC) is a Christian position on origins. It   
   >takes   
   >the Bible seriously as the inspired and authoritative word of God, and   
   >it takes science seriously as a way of understanding the world God has   
   >made. EC includes two basic ideas. First, that God created all things,   
   >including human beings in his own image. Second, that evolution is the   
   >best scientific explanation we currently have for the diversity and   
   >similarities of all life on Earth.   
   >END QUOTE:   
   >   
   >QUOTE:   
   >The Identity of BioLogos   
   >Core Values   
      
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