From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 3/17/2025 8:31 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   > On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 08:42:49 -0500, RonO    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 3/15/2025 11:06 PM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>> On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 07:02:16 -0500, RonO    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 3/14/2025 5:50 PM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 14:28:44 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 3/14/2025 12:06 PM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 08:04:06 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 3/14/2025 3:23 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 10:02:21 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 3/13/2025 8:23 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 11:43:35 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/12/2025 8:25 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 13:06:43 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/11/2025 12:21 PM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 09:21:24 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/11/2025 5:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:20:56 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are still not abiding by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saint Augustine's admonishment about not using the Bible to   
   make claims   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about what we can determine for ourselves about nature, so   
   my guess is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that their efforts can still fail to represent nature   
   accurately   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on how consistent with the Bible that they want   
   to be.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are NOT in any way contradicting Saint Augustine's   
   admonishment,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are following it perfectly.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you think differently then like MarkE, you haven't   
   properly grasped   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the meaning of what St Augustine meant.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are trying to force biological evolution into conforming   
   with their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biblical interpretation.  As such what are they missing about   
   biological   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution?  Some of them are denying that natural mechanisms   
   were   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved in some of that evolution.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give an example of that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> ?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You SNIPed it out.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing in what I snipped that shows anyone denying that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> natural mechanisms were involved in evolution. On the contrary,   
   as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> quoted by you from their website, they define one of their core   
   values   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> as affirming the established findings of modern science. Are you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> calling them liars?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> That obviously is not true.  Did you actually read what you   
   snipped out?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        What were their other core values?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Here is exactly what you posted from their site earlier::   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> ====================================   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Evolutionary Creation (EC) is a Christian position on origins. It   
   >>>>>>>>>>> takes   
   >>>>>>>>>>> the Bible seriously as the inspired and authoritative word of God,   
   and   
   >>>>>>>>>>> it takes science seriously as a way of understanding the world God   
   has   
   >>>>>>>>>>> made. EC includes two basic ideas. First, that God created all   
   things,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> including human beings in his own image. Second, that evolution is   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> best scientific explanation we currently have for the diversity and   
   >>>>>>>>>>> similarities of all life on Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> The Identity of BioLogos   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Core Values   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Christ-centered Faith - We embrace the historical Christian faith,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> upholding the authority and inspiration of the Bible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Rigorous Science - We affirm the established findings of modern   
   >>>>>>>>>>> science,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> celebrating the wonders of God's creation.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Gracious Dialogue - We strive for humble and thoughtful dialogue   
   with   
   >>>>>>>>>>> those who hold other views, speaking the truth in love.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> ===============================================   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Where in that are they are denying that natural mechanisms were   
   >>>>>>>>>>> involved in some of that evolution?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> They are like Behe and claiming that their god is needed to do a   
   >>>>>>>>>> specific thing that they claim the Bible tells them so.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
      
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