From: martinharran@gmail.com   
      
   rOn Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:42:09 -0500, RonO    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 3/17/2025 8:31 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >> On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 08:42:49 -0500, RonO    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 3/15/2025 11:06 PM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>> On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 07:02:16 -0500, RonO    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 3/14/2025 5:50 PM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 14:28:44 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 3/14/2025 12:06 PM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 08:04:06 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On 3/14/2025 3:23 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 10:02:21 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/13/2025 8:23 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 11:43:35 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/12/2025 8:25 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 13:06:43 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/11/2025 12:21 PM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 09:21:24 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/11/2025 5:06 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 17:20:56 -0500, RonO    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are still not abiding by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saint Augustine's admonishment about not using the Bible   
   to make claims   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about what we can determine for ourselves about nature, so   
   my guess is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that their efforts can still fail to represent nature   
   accurately   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on how consistent with the Bible that they want   
   to be.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are NOT in any way contradicting Saint Augustine's   
   admonishment,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are following it perfectly.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you think differently then like MarkE, you haven't   
   properly grasped   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the meaning of what St Augustine meant.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are trying to force biological evolution into   
   conforming with their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biblical interpretation.  As such what are they missing   
   about biological   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution?  Some of them are denying that natural mechanisms   
   were   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved in some of that evolution.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give an example of that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You SNIPed it out.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing in what I snipped that shows anyone denying   
   that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural mechanisms were involved in evolution. On the contrary,   
   as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quoted by you from their website, they define one of their core   
   values   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as affirming the established findings of modern science. Are you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling them liars?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> That obviously is not true.  Did you actually read what you   
   snipped out?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>        What were their other core values?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Here is exactly what you posted from their site earlier::   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> ====================================   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Evolutionary Creation (EC) is a Christian position on origins. It   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> takes   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> the Bible seriously as the inspired and authoritative word of   
   God, and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> it takes science seriously as a way of understanding the world   
   God has   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> made. EC includes two basic ideas. First, that God created all   
   things,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> including human beings in his own image. Second, that evolution   
   is the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> best scientific explanation we currently have for the diversity   
   and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> similarities of all life on Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> The Identity of BioLogos   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Core Values   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Christ-centered Faith - We embrace the historical Christian faith,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> upholding the authority and inspiration of the Bible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Rigorous Science - We affirm the established findings of modern   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> science,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> celebrating the wonders of God's creation.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Gracious Dialogue - We strive for humble and thoughtful dialogue   
   with   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> those who hold other views, speaking the truth in love.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> ===============================================   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Where in that are they are denying that natural mechanisms were   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> involved in some of that evolution?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> They are like Behe and claiming that their god is needed to do a   
   >>>>>>>>>>> specific thing that they claim the Bible tells them so.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
      
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