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   >>> Why keep lying by making this claim when the quotes were already put up   
   >>> and you could not deal with them when they were posted?   
   >>>   
   >>> REPOST from above in this post:   
   >>> You reposted these, so you know what they are claiming.   
   >>>   
   >>> QUOTE:   
   >>> Evolutionary Creation (EC) is a Christian position on origins. It   
   >>> takes   
   >>> the Bible seriously as the inspired and authoritative word of God, and   
   >>> it takes science seriously as a way of understanding the world God has   
   >>> made. EC includes two basic ideas. First, that God created all things,   
   >>> including human beings in his own image. Second, that evolution is the   
   >>> best scientific explanation we currently have for the diversity and   
   >>> similarities of all life on Earth.   
   >>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>   
   >>> QUOTE:   
   >>> The Identity of BioLogos   
   >>> Core Values   
   >>> Christ-centered Faith - We embrace the historical Christian faith,   
   >>> upholding the authority and inspiration of the Bible.   
   >>>   
   >>> Rigorous Science - We affirm the established findings of modern   
   >>> science,   
   >>> celebrating the wonders of God's creation.   
   >>>   
   >>> Gracious Dialogue - We strive for humble and thoughtful dialogue with   
   >>> those who hold other views, speaking the truth in love.   
   >>> END QUOTE:   
   >>> END REPOST:   
   >>>   
   >>> These guys are the same type of Biblical literalists that they have   
   >>> among the ID perps.   
   >>>   
   >>> REPOST:   
   >>>  From the link that I originally put up:   
   >>>   
   >>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/how-is-biologos-differ   
   nt-from-evolutionism-intelligent-design-and-creationism   
   >>>   
   >>> QUOTE:   
   >>> BioLogos believes that science is limited to explaining the natural   
   >>> world, and that supernatural events like miracles are part of reality too.   
   >>> END QUOTE:   
   >>   
   >> Nothing there denying that natural mechanisms were involved in   
   >> evolution. Only your biased imagination could turn "evolution is the   
   >> best scientific explanation we currently have for the diversity and   
   >> similarities of all life on Earth" and "We affirm the established   
   >> findings of modern science, celebrating the wonders of God's creation"   
   >> Into some sort of science denial.   
   >   
   >What does this matter?  You were still lying.  They aren't literally   
   >denying natural mechanisms   
      
   So you have kept insisting that they deny that natural mechanisms were   
   involved in evolution. Now you admit that they don't say that but you   
   claim that I am the one who is lying. It's perfectly clear that I have   
   been right all along, the claims you have been making about them are   
   all the products of your bullshit interpretation.   
      
   You really need to get a grip on yourself; your paranoid fear of   
   religious belief is on a par with the IDers' paranoid fear of science.   
      
      
   >they are claiming devine intervention, that   
   >is denial of natural mechanism being fully responsible for biological   
   >evolution.  They are just the same as Behe.  Behe understands that   
   >biological evolution is a fact of nature, but he believes that his   
   >designer is responsible for tweeking it along, at least, some of the   
   >time.  They are in denial of natural mechanisms being involved in all   
   >biological evolution just as much as Behe is.  How can you not get that   
   >they are claiming supernatural miracles instead of natural mechanisms?   
   >They are denying natural mechanisms for, at least, some of the evolution   
   >due to the supernatural miracles they claim happened, just as much as   
   >Behe is in denial of the evolution of his IC systems by natural   
   >mechanisms.  The closest Behe has come to his devine intervention   
   >mechanism is "puffs of smoke".  These guys are outright claiming   
   >supernatural miracles are responsible.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/what-is-evolutionary-creation   
   >>>   
   >>> This comes after the quote about evolutionary creationism that I   
   >>> originally put up.   
   >>>   
   >>> QUOTE:   
   >>> We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he does in   
   >>> our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain creation.   
   >>> END QUOTE:   
   >>   
   >> And again, nothing there about God tweaking life the way Behe claims.   
   >   
   >Lying about the quote doesn't make it true.  They believe that their god   
   >was involved in the creation (includes life) and is still involved.   
   >They are as bad as the Reason to Believe creationists that believe that   
   >god is still recreating lifeforms today to make it look like life   
   >evolved and is evolving on this planet except that they understand that   
   >evolution is a fact of life, and that they can only be tweekers with   
   >their god active in the evolutionary process.  Descent with modification   
   >is still true, but their god is responsible for some of the modification   
   >via supernatural miracles.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> Tweekers acting purposefully in creation that they include life as part   
   >>> of the creation.  The reason to believe exIDiots also believe that their   
   >>> god is still working on the creation.   
   >>> END REPOST:   
   >>   
   >> You really need to learn that just because you imagine something   
   >> doesn't make it true but I guess you are too set in your ways to   
   >> change at this stage.   
   >   
   >They are claiming that their god is interfering with the creation on a   
   >regular basis.  They are tweekers.  My guess is that some of them could   
   >be tweekers like Ken Miller who believes that his god might have   
   >manipulated natural processes (he called it jiggling atoms) to make   
   >biological evolution come out the way it has, but others are probably   
   >like Behe and believe it was done with puffs of smoke.   
   >   
   >There is no reason to continue to lie about this.   
   >   
   >Ron Okimoto   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> I just took these reposts right out of this post, so the formating may   
   >>> be messed up.   
   >>>   
   >>> You ran from the las quotes and started your lame denial.  These guys   
   >>> are tweekers (They believe that their god created with miracles).  They   
   >>> are no different than Behe in his claim that his god tweeked the   
   >>> flagellum into existence.  They are claiming that their god made humans   
   >>> in his own image, and that miracles were involved.  Behe never says how   
   >>> his god did it, but these guys do (supernatural miracles).  The closest   
   >>> Behe ever came to that, was his "puffs of smoke" admission.  All they   
   >>> have are Behe's denial type claims to support their beliefs.  Probably   
   >>> all of the ID perps also believe that their god made man in his own   
   >>> image, and their human exceptionalism stupidity is the result of that   
   >>> belief.  The Discovery Institute made human exceptionalism a full   
   >>> departement of it's own at one point.   
   >>>   
   >>> I just looked it up and it is still claimed to be The Center on Human   
   >>> Exceptionalism.   
   >>> https://humanexceptionalism.center/   
   >>>   
   >>> It is junk that the ID perps claim supports intelligent design of   
   >>> humans.  They believe that human exceptionalism supports their religious   
   >>> beliefs of their god making man in his own image.  The ID perps use the   
   >>> arguments to claim that there are things that biological evolution   
   >>> cannot do.   
   >>>   
   >>> You should have never run from the material and started lying.  Claiming   
   >>> that you want me to requote the material is just stupid when it is still   
   >>> in this post.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Why keep saying that there is something there when nobody else can see   
   >>>> it? Do you not realise how much of an idiot it is making you?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I will admit that this isn't as bad as you denying what your own trusted   
      
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