From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 3/18/2025 3:13 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   > On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 16:31:30 -0500, DB Cates    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2025-03-17 8:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>> On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 08:42:49 -0500, RonO    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >> [giant snip]   
   >   
   > Thank you for that. I had to stop snipping replies to Ron because if   
   > you snip anything at all, he claims you were running from his   
   > arguments and reposts the same stuff so you end up with a post 2 or 3   
   > times longer than it needs to be :(   
   >   
   >>>>   
   >>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>> We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he does in   
   >>>> our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain creation.   
   >>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>   
   >>> And again, nothing there about God tweaking life the way Behe claims.   
   >>>    [another giant snip]   
   >>   
   >> Out of curiosity, what do you think the phrase "he continues to actively   
   >> uphold and sustain creation." mean? I mean, in particular "continues"   
   >> and "actively".   
   >   
   > I see this as a background thing, not a direct process. I have 5   
   > grown-up children, all with children of their own. I continue to   
   > actively uphold and sustain them in whatever way they need but I do   
   > not *interfere* in their lives. If, for example, they make decisions   
   > that I don't agree with, I *might* offer an opinion if I think it will   
   > be welcome but the decision is entirely theirs and I fully accept and   
   > support whatever they do decide. The help and support I (and my wife)   
   > give them is on request, not pushed on them, though they know it is   
   > available when needed, and is given unconditionally.   
   >   
   > That's why I think the analogy of God as father is a particularly apt   
   > one.   
   >   
   >   
   So you always understood what I was claiming, and just refused to   
   acknowledge that they were claiming supernatural miracles in order to   
   uphold and sustain creation.  You were just lying to yourself and lying   
   in your posts.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)