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   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Where in that are they are denying that natural mechanisms were   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> involved in some of that evolution?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> They are like Behe and claiming that their god is needed to do a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> specific thing that they claim the Bible tells them so.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> What do you not get?  The reasoning is no different from Behe   
   claiming   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> that some god is needed to create the flagellum.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They obviously have other feelings   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about what are not "established findings of modern science."   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> So what does it matter what they think about things outside of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> science, how is that contradicting science?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> They are claiming that their understanding of science can be made   
   to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> conform to their literal interpretations of the Bible.  It is the   
   same   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> claim that the ID perps make except they agree that biological   
   evolution   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> is a fact of nature.  Some of them still think like Behe.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not only   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, but as I indicated there are somethings about evolution   
   that have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not been established because they claim to be tweekers like   
   Behe, and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their god has been tweeking things in order to make humans into   
   his own   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> image.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm still waiting for an example of those tweekers. And why do   
   you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> keep bringing Behe into it? He has nothing to do with Biologos   
   or they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> with him. They actually have a lengthy article about his   
   "Darwin's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Black Box" book where they go through his arguments one by one   
   and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> show how they don't stand up.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you expect god to have made man in his own image without   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> tweeking?  They likely even differ in what they think image means.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/how-can-evol   
   tion-account-for-the-complexity-of-life-on-earth-today   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The example was in their description of what they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believed.  They believe that the Bible is the "inspired and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authroitative word of God" and "First, that God created all   
   things,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including human beings in his own image.".  You have to read   
   their web   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site to learn that some of them are tweekers that claim that   
   their god   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was involved in guiding the evolution of life on earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have read their web site and I see nothing anywhere about   
   forcing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biological evolution into conforming with their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biblical interpretation. Feel free to point it out if I have   
   missed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You must have missed the part about tweekers,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a big site and I can't find anything about tweekers. Please   
   quote   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> what they actually say or at least point me to the actual part   
   of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> site where they say it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>       From the link that I originally put up:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/how-is-biolog   
   s-different-from-evolutionism-intelligent-design-and-creationism   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> BioLogos believes that science is limited to explaining the   
   natural   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> world, and that supernatural events like miracles are part of   
   reality too.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/what-is-evolu   
   ionary-creation   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> This comes after the quote about evolutionary creationism that I   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> originally put up.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he   
   does in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain   
   creation.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Tweekers acting purposefully in creation that they include life   
   as part   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> of the creation.  The reason to believe exIDiots also believe   
   that their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> god is still working on the creation.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the claims that their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> god evolved humans in his own image.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> How does that contradict science?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> They do not have to contradict science, just make the same claims   
   about   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> limits of natural processes that Behe does about the flagellum.    
   Like   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> these guys Behe understands that evolution is a fact of nature,   
   but that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't stop him from his science denial attempts.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> You claimed that they trying to force biological evolution into   
   >>>>>>>>>>> conforming with their Biblical interpretation but can't produce a   
   >>>>>>>>>>> single example of that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Why lie about something like that when you can just go up this post   
   and   
   >>>>>>>>>> see the examples quoted out of the original links that I put up?   
   >>>>>>>>>> Wanting to live in denial is no excuse for lying.  Made in his own   
   image   
   >>>>>>>>>> is a Biblical interpretation, and they claim that biological   
   evolution   
   >>>>>>>>>> was used to do that.  It is no different from Behe claiming that   
   his god   
   >>>>>>>>>> was responsible for creating the flagellum in an evolutionary   
   context.   
   >>>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that some god used evolution to do any such   
   thing.   
   >>>>>>>>>> They have no other means than Beheian science denial to support any   
   god   
   >>>>>>>>>> involvement in the evolution of humans in any specific way.  There   
   is no   
   >>>>>>>>>> scientific evidence that humans evolved to be what they are due to   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>> influence of some god.  If they believe that there is, they are in   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>> same category of science denial as Behe.  What do the other quotes   
   tell   
   >>>>>>>>>> you about their adherence with literal Biblical interpretations.    
   Behe   
   >>>>>>>>>> lies about why he puts up his denial, but these guys say straight   
   out   
   >>>>>>>>>> that they believe what they believe because the Bible tells them so.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You still can't give even a single example of the things you have   
   >>>>>>>>> accused them of. QED   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Why do you insist on continuing to lie.  The examples were given and   
   are   
   >>>>>>>> still in this post.  I took the quotes right out of the links that I   
   >>>>>>>> gave to start this thread.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You are the one who is telling lies, there are no examples in what you   
   >>>>>>> quoted. You could simply prove me wrong by requoting the examples but   
   >>>>>>> you cannot because they do not exist. Beats me why you continue to   
   >>>>>>> make an idiot of yourself by claiming something exists when it doesn't   
   >>>>>>> and people can see that.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You should not keep lying.  You ignored the material that I quoted.  You   
   >>>>>> didn't have to find it, just confirm that those quotes came from the   
   >>>>>> material that you were lying about.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Just go back up the post and lie where the quotes were put up.  You   
      
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