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   >>>>>> could not do that before, and you likely can't do it now because you   
   >>>>>> can't face how you have been lying.  Why would I have to requote what   
   >>>>>> you know that you are lying about, and the quotes still exist in this   
   post?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You can't requote it because there is nothing there denying that   
   >>>>> natural mechanisms were involved in evolution or that they support   
   >>>>> tweaking.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Why keep lying by making this claim when the quotes were already put up   
   >>>> and you could not deal with them when they were posted?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> REPOST from above in this post:   
   >>>> You reposted these, so you know what they are claiming.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>> Evolutionary Creation (EC) is a Christian position on origins. It   
   >>>> takes   
   >>>> the Bible seriously as the inspired and authoritative word of God, and   
   >>>> it takes science seriously as a way of understanding the world God has   
   >>>> made. EC includes two basic ideas. First, that God created all things,   
   >>>> including human beings in his own image. Second, that evolution is the   
   >>>> best scientific explanation we currently have for the diversity and   
   >>>> similarities of all life on Earth.   
   >>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>> The Identity of BioLogos   
   >>>> Core Values   
   >>>> Christ-centered Faith - We embrace the historical Christian faith,   
   >>>> upholding the authority and inspiration of the Bible.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Rigorous Science - We affirm the established findings of modern   
   >>>> science,   
   >>>> celebrating the wonders of God's creation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Gracious Dialogue - We strive for humble and thoughtful dialogue with   
   >>>> those who hold other views, speaking the truth in love.   
   >>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>> END REPOST:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> These guys are the same type of Biblical literalists that they have   
   >>>> among the ID perps.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> REPOST:   
   >>>>   From the link that I originally put up:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/how-is-biologos-diffe   
   ent-from-evolutionism-intelligent-design-and-creationism   
   >>>>   
   >>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>> BioLogos believes that science is limited to explaining the natural   
   >>>> world, and that supernatural events like miracles are part of reality too.   
   >>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>   
   >>> Nothing there denying that natural mechanisms were involved in   
   >>> evolution. Only your biased imagination could turn "evolution is the   
   >>> best scientific explanation we currently have for the diversity and   
   >>> similarities of all life on Earth" and "We affirm the established   
   >>> findings of modern science, celebrating the wonders of God's creation"   
   >>> Into some sort of science denial.   
   >>   
   >> What does this matter?  You were still lying.  They aren't literally   
   >> denying natural mechanisms   
   >   
   > So you have kept insisting that they deny that natural mechanisms were   
   > involved in evolution. Now you admit that they don't say that but you   
   > claim that I am the one who is lying. It's perfectly clear that I have   
   > been right all along, the claims you have been making about them are   
   > all the products of your bullshit interpretation.   
      
   I have never denied that, what I have always contended is that they deny   
   that it was all natural.  My example has always been Behe as a tweeker,   
   and you know that for a fact.  They are obviously claiming devine   
   intervention.  Supernatural miracles are not natural mechanisms.  You   
   have been deluding yourself and lying about what was claimed.  You know   
   why you ran from the requoted material the first time and started lying.   
      
   >   
   > You really need to get a grip on yourself; your paranoid fear of   
   > religious belief is on a par with the IDers' paranoid fear of science.   
      
   You need stop lying about the situation when you know that you were   
   wrong from the beginning of your denial of what I was claiming.  What do   
   you think evolutionary creationism is?  They accept biological evolution   
   a means of creation, but they are obviously tweekers like Behe, and deny   
   that it was all natural just like Behe.  Making stupid claims that I was   
   claiming that they denied natural mechanisms for evolution is just   
   stupid when you know that I was always claiming that it was not all   
   natural with their claim about taking the Bible literally, their belief   
   in supernatural miracles, and their belief that their god was   
   manipulating nature in the past and still is.  They deny natural   
   mechanisms as much as Behe when he claims that his god was needed to   
   evolve the flagellum, and these guys are claiming that their god made   
   man in his own image, a claim that they make due to their literal   
   interpretation of the Bible.  Behe has never claimed how his designer   
   did it except for his off the cuff "puffs of smoke", but these guys are   
   outright claiming supernatural miracles.  Your lies were never needed,   
   and were only used because you couldn't deal with the reality that some   
   of these guys are tweekers like an ID perp such as Behe.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
   >   
   >   
   >> they are claiming devine intervention, that   
   >> is denial of natural mechanism being fully responsible for biological   
   >> evolution.  They are just the same as Behe.  Behe understands that   
   >> biological evolution is a fact of nature, but he believes that his   
   >> designer is responsible for tweeking it along, at least, some of the   
   >> time.  They are in denial of natural mechanisms being involved in all   
   >> biological evolution just as much as Behe is.  How can you not get that   
   >> they are claiming supernatural miracles instead of natural mechanisms?   
   >> They are denying natural mechanisms for, at least, some of the evolution   
   >> due to the supernatural miracles they claim happened, just as much as   
   >> Behe is in denial of the evolution of his IC systems by natural   
   >> mechanisms.  The closest Behe has come to his devine intervention   
   >> mechanism is "puffs of smoke".  These guys are outright claiming   
   >> supernatural miracles are responsible.   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> https://biologos.org/common-questions/what-is-evolutionary-creation   
   >>>>   
   >>>> This comes after the quote about evolutionary creationism that I   
   >>>> originally put up.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>> We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he does in   
   >>>> our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain creation.   
   >>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>   
   >>> And again, nothing there about God tweaking life the way Behe claims.   
   >>   
   >> Lying about the quote doesn't make it true.  They believe that their god   
   >> was involved in the creation (includes life) and is still involved.   
   >> They are as bad as the Reason to Believe creationists that believe that   
   >> god is still recreating lifeforms today to make it look like life   
   >> evolved and is evolving on this planet except that they understand that   
   >> evolution is a fact of life, and that they can only be tweekers with   
   >> their god active in the evolutionary process.  Descent with modification   
   >> is still true, but their god is responsible for some of the modification   
   >> via supernatural miracles.   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Tweekers acting purposefully in creation that they include life as part   
   >>>> of the creation.  The reason to believe exIDiots also believe that their   
   >>>> god is still working on the creation.   
   >>>> END REPOST:   
   >>>   
   >>> You really need to learn that just because you imagine something   
   >>> doesn't make it true but I guess you are too set in your ways to   
   >>> change at this stage.   
   >>   
   >> They are claiming that their god is interfering with the creation on a   
   >> regular basis.  They are tweekers.  My guess is that some of them could   
      
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