From: cates_db@hotmail.com   
      
   On 2025-03-18 3:13 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:   
   > On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 16:31:30 -0500, DB Cates    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2025-03-17 8:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>> On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 08:42:49 -0500, RonO    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >> [giant snip]   
   >   
   > Thank you for that. I had to stop snipping replies to Ron because if   
   > you snip anything at all, he claims you were running from his   
   > arguments and reposts the same stuff so you end up with a post 2 or 3   
   > times longer than it needs to be :(   
   >   
   >>>>   
   >>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>> We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he does in   
   >>>> our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain creation.   
   >>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>   
   >>> And again, nothing there about God tweaking life the way Behe claims.   
   >>>    [another giant snip]   
   >>   
   >> Out of curiosity, what do you think the phrase "he continues to actively   
   >> uphold and sustain creation." mean? I mean, in particular "continues"   
   >> and "actively".   
   >   
   > I see this as a background thing, not a direct process. I have 5   
   > grown-up children, all with children of their own. I continue to   
   > actively uphold and sustain them in whatever way they need but I do   
   > not *interfere* in their lives. If, for example, they make decisions   
   > that I don't agree with, I *might* offer an opinion if I think it will   
   > be welcome but the decision is entirely theirs and I fully accept and   
   > support whatever they do decide. The help and support I (and my wife)   
   > give them is on request, not pushed on them, though they know it is   
   > available when needed, and is given unconditionally.   
   >   
   > That's why I think the analogy of God as father is a particularly apt   
   > one.   
   >   
   >   
   I'm having difficulty reconciling that view with a purported omniscient   
   entity.   
      
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