From: martinharran@gmail.com   
      
   On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:44:23 -0500, RonO    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 3/18/2025 3:13 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >> On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 16:31:30 -0500, DB Cates    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 2025-03-17 8:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>>> On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 08:42:49 -0500, RonO    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>> [giant snip]   
   >>   
   >> Thank you for that. I had to stop snipping replies to Ron because if   
   >> you snip anything at all, he claims you were running from his   
   >> arguments and reposts the same stuff so you end up with a post 2 or 3   
   >> times longer than it needs to be :(   
   >>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> QUOTE:   
   >>>>> We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he does in   
   >>>>> our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain creation.   
   >>>>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And again, nothing there about God tweaking life the way Behe claims.   
   >>>>    [another giant snip]   
   >>>   
   >>> Out of curiosity, what do you think the phrase "he continues to actively   
   >>> uphold and sustain creation." mean? I mean, in particular "continues"   
   >>> and "actively".   
   >>   
   >> I see this as a background thing, not a direct process. I have 5   
   >> grown-up children, all with children of their own. I continue to   
   >> actively uphold and sustain them in whatever way they need but I do   
   >> not *interfere* in their lives. If, for example, they make decisions   
   >> that I don't agree with, I *might* offer an opinion if I think it will   
   >> be welcome but the decision is entirely theirs and I fully accept and   
   >> support whatever they do decide. The help and support I (and my wife)   
   >> give them is on request, not pushed on them, though they know it is   
   >> available when needed, and is given unconditionally.   
   >>   
   >> That's why I think the analogy of God as father is a particularly apt   
   >> one.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >So you always understood what I was claiming, and just refused to   
   >acknowledge that they were claiming supernatural miracles in order to   
   >uphold and sustain creation.  You were just lying to yourself and lying   
   >in your posts.   
      
      
   If you can't understand the significance of "not *interfere* in their   
   lives" then you really have lost the plot.   
      
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