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   stupidity and lies about the current topic.  You just can't accept   
   reality for what it is, even if you have to deny what your own trusted   
   source told you.   
      
   The Biologos creationists just claim what they claim.  You have to keep   
   lying about it for your own stupid reasons.   
      
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   >> The Reason to   
   >> Believe exIDiots claim that their designer only made it look like   
   >> biological evolution happened and is still happening by "recreating" new   
   >> species just a little different from the previously existing species.   
   >> It is so much like evolution that the new recreation can even interbreed   
   >> sometimes with the previously existing species.  None of the Biologos   
   >> evolutionary creationists are likely that badly off, but they still   
   >> claim that supernatural miracles were needed.   
   >>   
   >> Just admit that you have been lying, and quit lying.   
   >   
   > You really do need to grasp the idea that people disagreeing with your   
   > ideas and opinions does not make them liars.   
      
   Just admit that you have been lying since you ran from the quotes the   
   first time and started lying.  Nothing has changed.  The Biologos   
   creationist claimed what they are quoted as claiming.  They are biblical   
   literalists that beileve that evolution is a fact of nature, but they   
   believe in Biblical claims like their god making man in his own image,   
   and they believe that this god used supernatural miracles in the   
   creation and is still using supernatural miracles today.  The use of   
   supernatural mechanisms is a denial of using natural mechanisms in those   
   cases by definition.  Natural mechanisms did not do what was   
   accomplished by supernatural miracles.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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   >> You understood   
   >> that you were lying when you ran from the quotes and started to lie, and   
   >> nothing has changed.  The quotes are what they are.  Just go up the   
   >> thread and relive what you did.  Supernatural miracles are not natural   
   >> mechanisms for evolution.  They are denying that biological evolution is   
   >> due to natural processes because they are claiming that unnatural   
   >> processes (supernatural miracles) were needed to do specific biblical   
   >> literalist interpretations of what had to happen to evolve man in the   
   >> image of their god.  This is no different from Behe's tweeker designer   
   >> claims.  Just because they understand that Behe's argument to support   
   >> the tweeking is bogus, doesn't change the fact that they are tweekers   
   >> too.  Behe needed supernatural miracles, but he wasn't as honest about   
   >> it as these guys are.   
   >>   
   >> Ron Okimoto   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> when you know that I was always claiming that it was not all   
   >>>> natural with their claim about taking the Bible literally, their belief   
   >>>> in supernatural miracles, and their belief that their god was   
   >>>> manipulating nature in the past and still is.  They deny natural   
   >>>> mechanisms as much as Behe when he claims that his god was needed to   
   >>>> evolve the flagellum, and these guys are claiming that their god made   
   >>>> man in his own image, a claim that they make due to their literal   
   >>>> interpretation of the Bible.  Behe has never claimed how his designer   
   >>>> did it except for his off the cuff "puffs of smoke", but these guys are   
   >>>> outright claiming supernatural miracles.  Your lies were never needed,   
   >>>> and were only used because you couldn't deal with the reality that some   
   >>>> of these guys are tweekers like an ID perp such as Behe.   
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