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   >> just that you had to consult the proper church officer.  A site that I   
   >> put up years ago claimed that this decree just set things back to what   
   >> was in place due to the Council of Trent, before heliocentric   
   >> publications were banned, and that heliocentrism could still not be used   
   >> in relation to the beliefs of the church fathers.  After the Council of   
   >> Trent heliocentrism became a heresy because all the church fathers were   
   >> geocentrists.  The anti-geocentric Catholic site agrees with what the   
   >> Council of trent did, and even admit that heliocentrism was s formal   
   >> heresy when Galileo first faced the charge in 1616.   
   >>   
   >> Your stupidity about geocentrism is likely directly related to your   
   >> stupidity and lies about the current topic.  You just can't accept   
   >> reality for what it is, even if you have to deny what your own trusted   
   >> source told you.   
   >>   
   >> The Biologos creationists just claim what they claim.  You have to keep   
   >> lying about it for your own stupid reasons.   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> The Reason to   
   >>>> Believe exIDiots claim that their designer only made it look like   
   >>>> biological evolution happened and is still happening by "recreating" new   
   >>>> species just a little different from the previously existing species.   
   >>>> It is so much like evolution that the new recreation can even interbreed   
   >>>> sometimes with the previously existing species.  None of the Biologos   
   >>>> evolutionary creationists are likely that badly off, but they still   
   >>>> claim that supernatural miracles were needed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Just admit that you have been lying, and quit lying.   
   >>>   
   >>> You really do need to grasp the idea that people disagreeing with your   
   >>> ideas and opinions does not make them liars.   
   >>   
   >> Just admit that you have been lying since you ran from the quotes the   
   >> first time and started lying.  Nothing has changed.  The Biologos   
   >> creationist claimed what they are quoted as claiming.  They are biblical   
   >> literalists that beileve that evolution is a fact of nature, but they   
   >> believe in Biblical claims like their god making man in his own image,   
   >> and they believe that this god used supernatural miracles in the   
   >> creation and is still using supernatural miracles today.  The use of   
   >> supernatural mechanisms is a denial of using natural mechanisms in those   
   >> cases by definition.  Natural mechanisms did not do what was   
   >> accomplished by supernatural miracles.   
   >>   
   >> Ron Okimoto   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>> You understood   
   >>>> that you were lying when you ran from the quotes and started to lie, and   
   >>>> nothing has changed.  The quotes are what they are.  Just go up the   
   >>>> thread and relive what you did.  Supernatural miracles are not natural   
   >>>> mechanisms for evolution.  They are denying that biological evolution is   
   >>>> due to natural processes because they are claiming that unnatural   
   >>>> processes (supernatural miracles) were needed to do specific biblical   
   >>>> literalist interpretations of what had to happen to evolve man in the   
   >>>> image of their god.  This is no different from Behe's tweeker designer   
   >>>> claims.  Just because they understand that Behe's argument to support   
   >>>> the tweeking is bogus, doesn't change the fact that they are tweekers   
   >>>> too.  Behe needed supernatural miracles, but he wasn't as honest about   
   >>>> it as these guys are.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> when you know that I was always claiming that it was not all   
   >>>>>> natural with their claim about taking the Bible literally, their belief   
   >>>>>> in supernatural miracles, and their belief that their god was   
   >>>>>> manipulating nature in the past and still is.  They deny natural   
   >>>>>> mechanisms as much as Behe when he claims that his god was needed to   
   >>>>>> evolve the flagellum, and these guys are claiming that their god made   
   >>>>>> man in his own image, a claim that they make due to their literal   
   >>>>>> interpretation of the Bible.  Behe has never claimed how his designer   
   >>>>>> did it except for his off the cuff "puffs of smoke", but these guys are   
   >>>>>> outright claiming supernatural miracles.  Your lies were never needed,   
   >>>>>> and were only used because you couldn't deal with the reality that some   
   >>>>>> of these guys are tweekers like an ID perp such as Behe.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> [snip repetitive earlier posts]   
   >>>>>   
   >>>   
   >   
   >   
   > I knew your pathetic screeching about people who disagree with you   
   > being stupid and liars reminded me of someone. I've just been reading   
   > about Trump calling the judge who overruled him a ""a Radical Left   
   > Lunatic Judge". That's exactly who you are like, Donald Trump and I   
   > guess that trying to have a reasoned debate with you is just like   
   > trying to have one with him, a totally stupid waste of time so I guess   
   > I have been stupid in that regard.   
   >   
      
   No counter to the fact that you have been lying about this issue since   
   running from the quoted material.  Making claims about me does nothing   
   to change the fact that you understand that you have been lying.  What   
   is the definition of supernatural miracles?  Natural mechanisms would   
   not be responsible for what those supernatural miracles produced.  What   
   Trump does has nothing to do with you lying about reality.  If you have   
   some weird definition of supernatural miracles you should have addressed   
   it instead of running from the quotes and doing what you did.  You have   
   been stupid and dishonest.  I can't change that.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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