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   >>> published about it.  These restrictions were not stated in the decree,   
   >>> just that you had to consult the proper church officer.  A site that I   
   >>> put up years ago claimed that this decree just set things back to what   
   >>> was in place due to the Council of Trent, before heliocentric   
   >>> publications were banned, and that heliocentrism could still not be used   
   >>> in relation to the beliefs of the church fathers.  After the Council of   
   >>> Trent heliocentrism became a heresy because all the church fathers were   
   >>> geocentrists.  The anti-geocentric Catholic site agrees with what the   
   >>> Council of trent did, and even admit that heliocentrism was s formal   
   >>> heresy when Galileo first faced the charge in 1616.   
   >>>   
   >>> Your stupidity about geocentrism is likely directly related to your   
   >>> stupidity and lies about the current topic.  You just can't accept   
   >>> reality for what it is, even if you have to deny what your own trusted   
   >>> source told you.   
   >>>   
   >>> The Biologos creationists just claim what they claim.  You have to keep   
   >>> lying about it for your own stupid reasons.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> The Reason to   
   >>>>> Believe exIDiots claim that their designer only made it look like   
   >>>>> biological evolution happened and is still happening by "recreating" new   
   >>>>> species just a little different from the previously existing species.   
   >>>>> It is so much like evolution that the new recreation can even interbreed   
   >>>>> sometimes with the previously existing species.  None of the Biologos   
   >>>>> evolutionary creationists are likely that badly off, but they still   
   >>>>> claim that supernatural miracles were needed.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Just admit that you have been lying, and quit lying.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You really do need to grasp the idea that people disagreeing with your   
   >>>> ideas and opinions does not make them liars.   
   >>>   
   >>> Just admit that you have been lying since you ran from the quotes the   
   >>> first time and started lying.  Nothing has changed.  The Biologos   
   >>> creationist claimed what they are quoted as claiming.  They are biblical   
   >>> literalists that beileve that evolution is a fact of nature, but they   
   >>> believe in Biblical claims like their god making man in his own image,   
   >>> and they believe that this god used supernatural miracles in the   
   >>> creation and is still using supernatural miracles today.  The use of   
   >>> supernatural mechanisms is a denial of using natural mechanisms in those   
   >>> cases by definition.  Natural mechanisms did not do what was   
   >>> accomplished by supernatural miracles.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> You understood   
   >>>>> that you were lying when you ran from the quotes and started to lie, and   
   >>>>> nothing has changed.  The quotes are what they are.  Just go up the   
   >>>>> thread and relive what you did.  Supernatural miracles are not natural   
   >>>>> mechanisms for evolution.  They are denying that biological evolution is   
   >>>>> due to natural processes because they are claiming that unnatural   
   >>>>> processes (supernatural miracles) were needed to do specific biblical   
   >>>>> literalist interpretations of what had to happen to evolve man in the   
   >>>>> image of their god.  This is no different from Behe's tweeker designer   
   >>>>> claims.  Just because they understand that Behe's argument to support   
   >>>>> the tweeking is bogus, doesn't change the fact that they are tweekers   
   >>>>> too.  Behe needed supernatural miracles, but he wasn't as honest about   
   >>>>> it as these guys are.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> when you know that I was always claiming that it was not all   
   >>>>>>> natural with their claim about taking the Bible literally, their belief   
   >>>>>>> in supernatural miracles, and their belief that their god was   
   >>>>>>> manipulating nature in the past and still is.  They deny natural   
   >>>>>>> mechanisms as much as Behe when he claims that his god was needed to   
   >>>>>>> evolve the flagellum, and these guys are claiming that their god made   
   >>>>>>> man in his own image, a claim that they make due to their literal   
   >>>>>>> interpretation of the Bible.  Behe has never claimed how his designer   
   >>>>>>> did it except for his off the cuff "puffs of smoke", but these guys are   
   >>>>>>> outright claiming supernatural miracles.  Your lies were never needed,   
   >>>>>>> and were only used because you couldn't deal with the reality that some   
   >>>>>>> of these guys are tweekers like an ID perp such as Behe.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> [snip repetitive earlier posts]   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> I knew your pathetic screeching about people who disagree with you   
   >> being stupid and liars reminded me of someone. I've just been reading   
   >> about Trump calling the judge who overruled him a ""a Radical Left   
   >> Lunatic Judge". That's exactly who you are like, Donald Trump and I   
   >> guess that trying to have a reasoned debate with you is just like   
   >> trying to have one with him, a totally stupid waste of time so I guess   
   >> I have been stupid in that regard.   
   >>   
   >   
   >No counter to the fact that you have been lying about this issue since   
   >running from the quoted material.   
      
      
   What's the point when everything I have asked you to give an example   
   of, you have just ignored or handwaved away.   
      
   I asked you for an example of Biologos denying natural causes of   
   evolution. No example. (You eventually tried to weasel-word your way   
   out of it by saying you didn't claim they *literally* said it.)   
      
   I asked you for an example of Biologos trying to force biological   
   evolution into conforming with their Biblical interpretation. No   
   example.   
      
   I asked you to identify somebody in Biologos supporting tweaking like   
   Bhehe does. No example.   
      
   I asked you what science is contradicted by the miracle of Christs'   
   Resurrection. No example.   
      
   I asked you for a single example of any miracle claimed by Christians   
   that contradicts evolution. No example.   
      
   There's no point in trying to continue a debate with you when you just   
   ignore contradictory evidence to your claims and call the person   
   presenting it a stupid liar. Do you think anyone takes your stupid   
   insults seriously.?   
      
      
   > Making claims about me does nothing   
   >to change the fact that you understand that you have been lying.  What   
   >is the definition of supernatural miracles?  Natural mechanisms would   
   >not be responsible for what those supernatural miracles produced.  What   
   >Trump does has nothing to do with you lying about reality.  If you have   
   >some weird definition of supernatural miracles you should have addressed   
   >it instead of running from the quotes and doing what you did.  You have   
   >been stupid and dishonest.  I can't change that.   
   >   
   >Ron Okimoto   
      
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