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|    Martin Harran to All    |
|    Re: Evolutionary creationism (4/4)    |
|    20 Mar 25 16:28:14    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>> natural causes. They are literally admitting that natural causes were       >>> not involved in their miracles. Supernatural miracles are not natural       >>> causes. You knew this because you ran from the quotes to start lying       >>> about the issue.       >>>       >>>>       >>>> I asked you for an example of Biologos trying to force biological       >>>> evolution into conforming with their Biblical interpretation. No       >>>> example.       >>>       >>> They claimed that their Biblical literal interpretation made them       >>> believe that their god created man in his own image. This is no       >>> different than Behe claiming that a designer was needed for his IC       >>> systems. They even claimed supernatural miracles were involved. How is       >>> that not forcing biological evolution into conforming to their Biblical       >>> interpretations? "In his image" is a Biblical literalist interpretation.       >>>       >>>>       >>>> I asked you to identify somebody in Biologos supporting tweaking like       >>>> Bhehe does. No example.       >>>       >>> Why would this have ever been needed when we have the claims of Biologos       >>> to evaluate with no author listed? Just another dishonest dodge to keep       >>> lying.       >>>       >>>>       >>>> I asked you what science is contradicted by the miracle of Christs'       >>>> Resurrection. No example.       >>>       >>> This isn't even relevant to what we are discussing. Just another       >>> dishonest dodge to continue lying. Why would miracles have to       >>> contradict science when supernatural miracles, by their very definition       >>> fall out side of nature and so outside of the ability of science to make       >>> any determination about them?       >>>       >>>>       >>>> I asked you for a single example of any miracle claimed by Christians       >>>> that contradicts evolution. No example.       >>>       >>> Again, just a dishonest dodge to keep lying. Why would this be relevant       >>> to what you were lying about? I don't even know why you would even       >>> think this was relevant. It is even a stupid request. All you need to       >>> understand is that the 7 days of creation were a series of miracles.       >>> There are obviously Christians that believe that evolution did not       >>> happen. The Bible claims that land plants ere created before sea       >>> creatures, but we know that sea creatures evolved over a hundred million       >>> years before land plants evolved on this planet from fresh water algae,       >>> and that the angiosperms mentioned in the Bible did not evolve until       >>> after dinos became the dominant vertebrate tetrapod on land.       >>>       >>>>       >>>> There's no point in trying to continue a debate with you when you just       >>>> ignore contradictory evidence to your claims and call the person       >>>> presenting it a stupid liar. Do you think anyone takes your stupid       >>>> insults seriously.?       >>>       >>> There is no reason to keep lying. There is no contradictory evidence.       >>> You were given the quotes that you needed and you decided to start lying       >>> about reality instead of deal with reality. You were a stupid liar.       >>> Your continued dodges would indicate that you have put considerable       >>> thought into lying about the issue, but what you came up with was       >>> irrelevant or did not support your lying. You might call that being       stupid.       >>>       >>> Ron Okimoto       >>>       >>>>       >>>>       >>>>> Making claims about me does nothing       >>>>> to change the fact that you understand that you have been lying. What       >>>>> is the definition of supernatural miracles? Natural mechanisms would       >>>>> not be responsible for what those supernatural miracles produced. What       >>>>> Trump does has nothing to do with you lying about reality. If you have       >>>>> some weird definition of supernatural miracles you should have addressed       >>>>> it instead of running from the quotes and doing what you did. You have       >>>>> been stupid and dishonest. I can't change that.       >>>>>       >>>>> Ron Okimoto       >>>>       >>       >>       >> The bullshit continue to fly. Sad really to see an intelligent guy       >> making such a fool of himself :(       >>       >>       >Just keep lying about it. It seems to be all that you can do. Why no       >counter except a stupid personal attack? No more dishonest dodges to       >pull out of the air? You should have just addressed reality instead of       >starting to lie about it.              So you can call me stupid and a liar as much as you like but I cannot       respond to it. That ties in well with your self-centred approach to       this whole discussion - one rule for you, different rules for everyone       else.              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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