From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   https://evolutionnews.org/2025/03/west-heres-why-we-cant-just-ma   
   e-peace-with-darwin/   
      
   https://evolutionnews.org/2025/03/doug-axe-on-darwinian-evolutio   
   -one-of-the-weakest-most-pathetic-scientific-theories/   
      
   The ID perps can't quit making stupid claims about Darwin and his   
   observation of natural selection in nature.   
      
   MarkE wants to continue to lie to himself about "Darwinism".  The simple   
   fact is that natural selection has been known to not be the only factor   
   in the evolution of the current diversity of life on earth for a very   
   long time.  It is just one factor, and a factor that anyone with enough   
   training can go out into nature and collect data consistent with it   
   continuing to act in nature today.  ID perps like Dembski and Behe have   
   admitted that natural selection could be the designer of examples of   
   evolution that we have.  Behe's stupid argument about "devolution"   
   actually claims that natural selection would be expected to be   
   responsible for things like the evolution of whales where a lot of the   
   genes that had evolved to work in creating terrestrial tetrapods for   
   over 200 million years had to be broken for the whales to go back to an   
   aquatic lifestyle.  The broken genes were still in the whale genomes and   
   had obviously evolved from functional sequences of the close terrestrial   
   relatives of whales, but Behe just claimed that it was a bad type of   
   evolution in order to make negative claims of natural selection.  Behe   
   actually shot himself in the head by claiming that whales evolved when   
   his designer wasn't looking and the evolution was due to natural   
   selection because natural selection would have been expected to select   
   for the broken genes and the results of breaking them, while his   
   designer would have done a better job of evolving whales.   
      
   West's denial article cites Axe's denial article.  "(See, “Doug Axe on   
   Darwinian Evolution: ‘One of the Weakest, Most Pathetic Scientific   
   Theories.’”)"  This is obviously just stupid and dishonest denial   
   because Phillip Johnson sat in court every day of testimony for the   
   Dover IDiotic creationist fiasco and came to the conclusion that the ID   
   perps had nothing equivalent to biological evolution to put forward.  He   
   admitted that the ID science had never existed, and could not compete   
   with the real science.  Axe's lie about what he is calling Darwinian   
   evolution means that the ID scam is so much weaker and pathetic than the   
   actual science that there isn't much doubt about why the ID perps   
   decided to start running the bait and switch on creationist rubes   
   instead of give them any of the weak and pathetic ID science.   
      
   West claims that Darwinism is corrosive, but even though he never   
   defines Darwinism he is just objecting to what science has to be in   
   order to function in the real world.  Biological evolution in nature is   
   just an affront to his religious beliefs.  Behe and Denton have been   
   telling the other ID perps that biological evolution is just a fact of   
   nature since the turn of the century, but ID perps like West and Axe   
   have never been able to accept reality.   
      
   Whining about Darwinism is just stupid at this point in the ID perp's   
   bait and switch ID creationist scam.  The only supporter that the ID   
   perps have left on TO is MarkE because MarkE has never been able to   
   accept reality just like West and Axe.  All the other IDiots quit the ID   
   scam because they realized that there wasn't any ID science that they   
   wanted the ID perps to produce.  Any real science involving the Top Six   
   best evidences for ID would just be more science for Biblical   
   creationists to deny.  None of the long time IDiots had ever been   
   interested in believing in any ID science.  They had all been IDiots due   
   to the failure of scientific creationism and the fact that they could   
   not give up on the denial like MarkE.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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