From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 3/28/2025 4:05 PM, Kestrel Clayton wrote:   
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   > On 26-Mar-25 10:23, RonO wrote:   
   >> https://evolutionnews.org/2025/03/west-heres-why-we-cant-just-make-   
   >> peace-with-darwin/   
   >>   
   >> https://evolutionnews.org/2025/03/doug-axe-on-darwinian-evolution-one-   
   >> of-the-weakest-most-pathetic-scientific-theories/   
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   >> The ID perps can't quit making stupid claims about Darwin and his   
   >> observation of natural selection in nature.   
   >>   
   >> MarkE wants to continue to lie to himself about "Darwinism".  The   
   >> simple fact is that natural selection has been known to not be the   
   >> only factor in the evolution of the current diversity of life on earth   
   >> for a very long time.  It is just one factor, and a factor that anyone   
   >> with enough training can go out into nature and collect data   
   >> consistent with it continuing to act in nature today.  ID perps like   
   >> Dembski and Behe have admitted that natural selection could be the   
   >> designer of examples of evolution that we have.  Behe's stupid   
   >> argument about "devolution" actually claims that natural selection   
   >> would be expected to be responsible for things like the evolution of   
   >> whales where a lot of the genes that had evolved to work in creating   
   >> terrestrial tetrapods for over 200 million years had to be broken for   
   >> the whales to go back to an aquatic lifestyle.  The broken genes were   
   >> still in the whale genomes and had obviously evolved from functional   
   >> sequences of the close terrestrial relatives of whales, but Behe just   
   >> claimed that it was a bad type of evolution in order to make negative   
   >> claims of natural selection.  Behe actually shot himself in the head   
   >> by claiming that whales evolved when his designer wasn't looking and   
   >> the evolution was due to natural selection because natural selection   
   >> would have been expected to select for the broken genes and the   
   >> results of breaking them, while his designer would have done a better   
   >> job of evolving whales.   
   >>   
   >> West's denial article cites Axe's denial article.  "(See, “Doug Axe on   
   >> Darwinian Evolution: ‘One of the Weakest, Most Pathetic Scientific   
   >> Theories.’”)"  This is obviously just stupid and dishonest denial   
   >> because Phillip Johnson sat in court every day of testimony for the   
   >> Dover IDiotic creationist fiasco and came to the conclusion that the   
   >> ID perps had nothing equivalent to biological evolution to put   
   >> forward.  He admitted that the ID science had never existed, and could   
   >> not compete with the real science.  Axe's lie about what he is calling   
   >> Darwinian evolution means that the ID scam is so much weaker and   
   >> pathetic than the actual science that there isn't much doubt about why   
   >> the ID perps decided to start running the bait and switch on   
   >> creationist rubes instead of give them any of the weak and pathetic ID   
   >> science.   
   >>   
   >> West claims that Darwinism is corrosive, but even though he never   
   >> defines Darwinism he is just objecting to what science has to be in   
   >> order to function in the real world.  Biological evolution in nature   
   >> is just an affront to his religious beliefs.  Behe and Denton have   
   >> been telling the other ID perps that biological evolution is just a   
   >> fact of nature since the turn of the century, but ID perps like West   
   >> and Axe have never been able to accept reality.   
   >>   
   >> Whining about Darwinism is just stupid at this point in the ID perp's   
   >> bait and switch ID creationist scam.  The only supporter that the ID   
   >> perps have left on TO is MarkE because MarkE has never been able to   
   >> accept reality just like West and Axe.  All the other IDiots quit the   
   >> ID scam because they realized that there wasn't any ID science that   
   >> they wanted the ID perps to produce.  Any real science involving the   
   >> Top Six best evidences for ID would just be more science for Biblical   
   >> creationists to deny.  None of the long time IDiots had ever been   
   >> interested in believing in any ID science.  They had all been IDiots   
   >> due to the failure of scientific creationism and the fact that they   
   >> could not give up on the denial like MarkE.   
   >   
   > The creationist obsession with Darwin is, I think, indicative of a   
   > deeper pathology: Creationists think science is essentially a sort of   
   > religion. Therefore, claims depend on the moral authority of those   
   > making them. Most creationists can't seem to wrap their brains around   
   > the idea that science neither respects nor requires moral authority. The   
   > character and habits of any given scientist are irrelevant; even if   
   > Charles Darwin had a side hustle burning down orphanages for fun and   
   > profit, it doesn't impact the veracity of evolutionary biology.   
   >   
   > That's also why creationists whine and lie about "Darwinism" being   
   > "corrosive" for societies: "If evolution is true, then the nazis were   
   > right, only temporal power matters, and there is no Jesus to save us   
   > from an eternity in Hell!" Even if all that were true, it wouldn't make   
      
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