From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   https://seanmcdowell.org/blog/how-is-the-intelligent-design-move   
   ent-doing-interview-with-william-dembski   
      
   I found this Dembski interview while looking for any evidence that the   
   ID bait and switch scam had any type of future.  The interview was from   
   2016 a couple of years before Dembski had retired from the ID scam as an   
   abject failure.  None of Dembski's junk made it into the Top Six, so   
   that tells you how highly Dembski's "ID science" was regarded by the   
   other ID perps in 2017.   
      
   As crazy as it may seem along with the usual lies about ID still being   
   viable for anything but bait, Dembski is admitting that the ID perps   
   wanted more religious support from more Christian denominations.  This   
   indicates what a lie the ID scam science claims have always been.  Real   
   science does not need support from organized religion.   
      
   QUOTE:   
   (2) In my remarks about the role of the church in advancing ID, I was   
   trying to be a bit provocative to get people thinking. To be sure,   
   well-wishers of ID abound in Christian circles. But how many are willing   
   to put their necks on the chopping block and make a real difference in   
   the scientific and cultural debate? As 19th century activist Annie   
   Besant put it:   
      
   Plenty of people wish well to any good cause, but very few care to exert   
   themselves to help it, and still fewer will risk anything in its   
   support. “Some one ought to do it, but why should I?” is the ever   
   re-echoed phrase of weak-kneed amiability. “Some one ought to do it, so   
   why not I?” is the cry of some earnest servant of man, eagerly forward   
   springing to face some perilous duty.   
      
   So, how much good has the Christian community really done in advancing   
   ID? Sure, there have been pockets of genuine support in the Christian   
   community. But why is the first and only ID think-tank/research center   
   at a Christian college or university Baylor's Michael Polanyi Center   
   (which I founded in 1999, and which was dismantled the following year   
   --- thanks in this case not to young-earth creationists but to theistic   
   evolutionists)? And why is the $100M spent on a Noah's Ark theme park   
   several times more than has been spent on all ID efforts over the last   
   20 years? Let's get some sense of proportion.   
   END QUOTE:   
      
   The ID perps have disenfranchised most of the YEC denominations because   
   they have run the bait and switch on the creationist rubes too many   
   times, and nearly all of them have dropped the issue instead of bending   
   over for the switch scam.  The creationists rubes do not want to teach   
   the obfuscation and denial if they can't tell the students the religious   
   reason for lying to them.  West Virginia in 2024 indicates that there   
   are still YEC creationist rubes that will take the bait, but it is   
   obviously for dishonest religious reasons.   
      
   You should read this interview in context.  Dembski got first hand   
   experience with what type of theocracy the ID perps were trying to   
   recreate by being forced to recant and apologize to his students at the   
   religious college he was teaching at, in order to keep his job.  He had   
   just told them the truth, that the earth and universe were likely much   
   older than depicted in the Bible and that the Noachian flood was likely   
   local instead of global.  If he had not recanted and apologized he would   
   have been fired.  As it was his contract was not renewed and Dembski   
   ended up working full time for the ID scam unit of the Discovery   
   Institute putting out ID as bait.  Dembski failed to produce any   
   convincing ID science scam material that could be used as useful bait,   
   and Dembski "retired" from the ID scam and the Discovery Institute in   
   2014 (I think it was 2014).  He claimed that he was moving on from the   
   ID scam, and wanted to go into education.  He was a failure at trying to   
   turn a new leaf and got hired back at the ID scam unit a couple of years   
   after this interview (after the ID perps had killed ID on TO by putting   
   out the Top Six best evidences for ID at the end of 2017).   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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