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   Message 140,861 of 142,579   
   RonO to jillery   
   Re: The Great Epizootic of 1872   
   30 Mar 25 10:26:24   
   
   From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 3/29/2025 11:41 PM, jillery wrote:   
   > To provide a historical perspective on the effects of the current bird   
   > flu epidemic, it's worthwhile to share what happened when undocumented   
   > Canadian horse flu viruses illegally crossed the border into the   
   > United States:   
   >   
   >    
   >   
   > Not a sound was heard in the silent street,   
   > as home from the concert we hurried.   
   >   
   > We found not a streetcar, carriage, nor bus,   
   > and we felt considerably worried.   
   >   
   > We hailed a driver we used to know,   
   > and hurriedly ask him the reason.   
   >   
   > He said as he sadly lowered his head,   
   > "The horses were all a sneezin'."   
   >   
   >   
   > The first cases of horse flu were reported in Toronto Canada in   
   > September 1872.  By the spring of 1873, it had spread to both coasts,   
   > Cuba, and Mexico.  Although it wasn't especially fatal to the horses,   
   > from 1% to 5%, they were incapable of labor for at least two weeks   
   > while they recovered.   
   >   
   > To appreciate the epidemic's impact, almost all economic activity at   
   > the time was powered by horses.  Imagine what it would be like today   
   > if all electric motors and internal combustion engines suddenly   
   > stopped working.   
   >   
      
   In those days it was literally horse power.  The initial dairy cattle   
   cases in March 2024 in Texas and Michigan only had around 2% mortality,   
   but the California herds started to have 10 to 15% mortality in September.   
      
   High density of horses and the fact that they were needed to move goods   
   between cities and states spread the disease.  The video claims that in   
   a city of 100,000 people there was one horse per 15 people.  Some   
   stables were immune, but my guess is that they were just infected first,   
   and the horses had recovered before the disease took over all the other   
   horses.  They would have just had to have been infected 3 weeks before   
   the peak of the epidemic in that city.   
      
   There is a difference between the economic loss due to the loss of horse   
   power and the current egg shortage.  Horses likely spread the disease   
   among themselves and were likely infective before showing symptoms   
   themselves.  The density and the required distance travel spread the   
   disease.  For poultry most of the commercial layer flocks lost in 2024   
   were due to dairy virus infection.  The most likely vector was dairy   
   workers that worked on both dairies and poultry farms.  This was   
   understood from the first commercial flock infections in Michigan and   
   Texas where dairy workers were found to work on infected poultry farms.   
   When Utah lost it's first commercial layer flock they immediately tested   
   the dairies in that county and found 8 of them infected.  California did   
   not learn and lived in denial of the dairy workers spreading the virus,   
   and did not restrict dairy worker movements and they lost over 40% of   
   their commercial layer flocks to the dairy virus.  They knew that dairy   
   workers were being infected and shedding virus, and they knew that dairy   
   workers were working at more than one dairy and also at poultry farms,   
   but they refused to do the right thing, and it resulted in over 70% of   
   their dairy herds being infected and the loss of over 40% of their   
   commercial layer flocks.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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