From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 3/29/2025 11:58 PM, jillery wrote:   
   > On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:21:21 -0500, RonO    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> https://seanmcdowell.org/blog/how-is-the-intelligent-design-m   
   vement-doing-interview-with-william-dembski   
   >>   
   >> I found this Dembski interview while looking for any evidence that the   
   >> ID bait and switch scam had any type of future.  The interview was from   
   >> 2016 a couple of years before Dembski had retired from the ID scam as an   
   >> abject failure.  None of Dembski's junk made it into the Top Six, so   
   >> that tells you how highly Dembski's "ID science" was regarded by the   
   >> other ID perps in 2017.   
   >>   
   >> As crazy as it may seem along with the usual lies about ID still being   
   >> viable for anything but bait, Dembski is admitting that the ID perps   
   >> wanted more religious support from more Christian denominations.  This   
   >> indicates what a lie the ID scam science claims have always been.  Real   
   >> science does not need support from organized religion.   
   >>   
   >> QUOTE:   
   >> (2) In my remarks about the role of the church in advancing ID, I was   
   >> trying to be a bit provocative to get people thinking. To be sure,   
   >> well-wishers of ID abound in Christian circles. But how many are willing   
   >> to put their necks on the chopping block and make a real difference in   
   >> the scientific and cultural debate? As 19th century activist Annie   
   >> Besant put it:   
   >>   
   >> Plenty of people wish well to any good cause, but very few care to exert   
   >> themselves to help it, and still fewer will risk anything in its   
   >> support. “Some one ought to do it, but why should I?” is the ever   
   >> re-echoed phrase of weak-kneed amiability. “Some one ought to do it, so   
   >> why not I?” is the cry of some earnest servant of man, eagerly forward   
   >> springing to face some perilous duty.   
   >>   
   >> So, how much good has the Christian community really done in advancing   
   >> ID? Sure, there have been pockets of genuine support in the Christian   
   >> community. But why is the first and only ID think-tank/research center   
   >> at a Christian college or university Baylor's Michael Polanyi Center   
   >> (which I founded in 1999, and which was dismantled the following year   
   >> --- thanks in this case not to young-earth creationists but to theistic   
   >> evolutionists)? And why is the $100M spent on a Noah's Ark theme park   
   >> several times more than has been spent on all ID efforts over the last   
   >> 20 years? Let's get some sense of proportion.   
   >> END QUOTE:   
   >>   
   >> The ID perps have disenfranchised most of the YEC denominations because   
   >> they have run the bait and switch on the creationist rubes too many   
   >> times, and nearly all of them have dropped the issue instead of bending   
   >> over for the switch scam.  The creationists rubes do not want to teach   
   >> the obfuscation and denial if they can't tell the students the religious   
   >> reason for lying to them.  West Virginia in 2024 indicates that there   
   >> are still YEC creationist rubes that will take the bait, but it is   
   >> obviously for dishonest religious reasons.   
   >>   
   >> You should read this interview in context.  Dembski got first hand   
   >> experience with what type of theocracy the ID perps were trying to   
   >> recreate by being forced to recant and apologize to his students at the   
   >> religious college he was teaching at, in order to keep his job.  He had   
   >> just told them the truth, that the earth and universe were likely much   
   >> older than depicted in the Bible and that the Noachian flood was likely   
   >> local instead of global.  If he had not recanted and apologized he would   
   >> have been fired.  As it was his contract was not renewed and Dembski   
   >> ended up working full time for the ID scam unit of the Discovery   
   >> Institute putting out ID as bait.  Dembski failed to produce any   
   >> convincing ID science scam material that could be used as useful bait,   
   >> and Dembski "retired" from the ID scam and the Discovery Institute in   
   >> 2014 (I think it was 2014).  He claimed that he was moving on from the   
   >> ID scam, and wanted to go into education.  He was a failure at trying to   
   >> turn a new leaf and got hired back at the ID scam unit a couple of years   
   >> after this interview (after the ID perps had killed ID on TO by putting   
   >> out the Top Six best evidences for ID at the end of 2017).   
   >>   
   >> Ron Okimoto   
   >   
   >   
   > My impression is the movement has shifted its strategy, from pushing   
   > to teach ID in public schools, to using public taxes to pay for   
   > private schools.  Along with SCOTUS providing religious exemptions for   
   > otherwise illegal activity, eliminating the Department of Education,   
   > as Trump advocates, would practically guarantee this to happen.   
   >   
   > People like Stephen Meyer, a longtime ID advocate, has teamed up with   
   > Prager University to spread the word:   
   >   
   >    
      
   After the ID perps lost so badly in Dover, the fact that they were   
   actively trying to get the Dover rubes to not teach the ID scam junk   
      
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