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   RonO to jillery   
   Re: How is the Intelligent Design Moveme   
   30 Mar 25 10:36:36   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   before the issue went to court, and the fact that half of the ID perps   
   ran instead of testifying pretty much made the ID scam unit at the   
   Discovery Institute look like it wasn't a very Christian organization.   
   Everyone should recall the press releases coming out of the ID scam unit   
   at the Discovery Institute after the Dover rubes announced that they   
   were not going to bend over for the switch scam, and that they were   
   going to try to teach ID without mentioning the ID scam unit.  The ID   
   perps were whining that the Dover rubes were not listening to reason and   
   that they did not want them to try to teach the ID science in the public   
   schools.  No one should have missed the fact that the bait and switch   
   had gone down on 100% of the creationist rubes that had wanted to teach   
   ID in the public schools, and that the ID perps were the ones running   
   the bait and switch scam.  Even though the ID perps were claiming that   
   ID could be taught in the public schools not a single creationist rube   
   had ever gotten any ID science to teach in the preceding 3 years that   
   the bait and switch had been going down.   
      
   The ID perps started claiming that it was a science and religion issue   
   as your web site demonstrates is still going on.  They tried to wrap   
   themselves in the cloak of their religious beliefs in order to deflect   
   the fact that they were obviously the dishonest bad guys in the whole   
   stupid fiasco.  They started claiming that they were on the side of   
   religion even though they had been running a stupid bait and switch scam   
   on the creationist rubes for years.   
      
   They started their religious web sites, and their creationist news site   
   started to have religious categories instead of just being creationist   
   anti-science.  They are just using their religious beliefs to try to   
   make the rubes believe that they are still the good guys even though the   
   bait and switch continues to go down as West Virginia is the latest   
   example.  They never retracted their teach ID scam propaganda, and they   
   even doubled down after Dover claiming that the Dover decision was   
   wrong, and that it is still legal to teach ID in the public schools.   
   They could not give up on using ID as bait.  After Dover the ID Network   
   tried to sell the switch scam by changing the name of their organization   
   to COPE and dropping ID from their name, and they had a 100% failure of   
   selling the switch scam.  Zero takers, so they went back to being the ID   
   Network after around 8 years of failure.  The ID perps, using ID as   
   bait, got the Louisiana creationist rubes to bend over for the Switch   
   scam in 2008 and the Texas rubes to bend over for the switch scam in   
   2010.  All the others that took the bait dropped the issue instead of   
   bend over for the switch scam.  Ohio dropped their switch scam junk   
   after the ID perp's Dover failure.  All the creationist rubes that took   
   the bait and bent over for the switch scam did it for dishonest reasons.   
     The ID perps told them that the switch scam had nothing to do with ID   
   nor creationism, but Louisiana, Texas, and West Virginia still wanted to   
   use the switch scam to teach ID.  Louisiana even called what they wanted   
   to teach both intelligent design and creationism.   
      
   The ID perps are currently trying to find other ways to disrupt science   
   education and keep the kids as ignorant as possible because the bait and   
   switch scam results have been so poor.  Only Ohio tried to implement the   
   switch scam at the state level and stay with the obfuscation and denial.   
     When Texas and Louisiana tried to implement their switch scam   
   legislation and school board stupidity they both tried to teach ID   
   instead of the stupid obfuscation and denial, and the ID perps had to   
   run the bait and switch on both groups of creationist rubes again in   
   2013.  The Louisiana rubes had previously tried to use the switch scam   
   to teach ID in 2010, and had the bait and switch run on them at that   
   time.  After the 2013 incident there have been no reports of either   
   Louisiana nor Texas trying to implement the switch scam.  Even though   
   Texas and Louisiana bent over for the switch scam, it has been a failure   
   in both states.  The author of the West Virginia switch scam legislation   
   wanted to use the legislation to teach intelligent design even though   
   she had been forced to remove ID from the act, and replace it with   
   switch scam language.  The ID perps had to remind her that the switch   
   scam had nothing to do with ID, and Luskin told her that the Discovery   
   Institute did not support teaching intelligent design in the public   
   schools.  Even after this Dakota took the bait and tried to pass   
   legislation to teach ID in their public schools before the ID perps   
   could run the bait and switch.  The ID perps were only spared more   
   public ridicule by the bill failing to pass.  Before the bait and switch   
   had to go down on both Louisiana and Texas again in 2013 the ID perps   
   were more on the ball and would catch such legislation before it came up   
   for a vote, but they seem to have missed West Virginia and Dakota   
   (initially West Virginia passed an act stating that intelligent design   
   could be taught in the public schools, but it must have not been signed   
   by the Governor and the ID perps were able to get it rewritten with   
   switch scam language).   
      
   No matter what scheme that the ID perps try, the central focus of the ID   
   perps is to continue to use ID as bait in order to attract the   
   creationist rubes.  It is their best means of getting the attention of   
   the creationists dishonest enough to want to believe that the ID scam   
   (their creationist belief) is viable, so that they can be redirected to   
   something that might work, instead of fail miserably, like   
   ID/creationism did in Dover.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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