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|    RonO to jillery    |
|    Re: How is the Intelligent Design Moveme    |
|    30 Mar 25 10:36:36    |
      [continued from previous message]              before the issue went to court, and the fact that half of the ID perps       ran instead of testifying pretty much made the ID scam unit at the       Discovery Institute look like it wasn't a very Christian organization.       Everyone should recall the press releases coming out of the ID scam unit       at the Discovery Institute after the Dover rubes announced that they       were not going to bend over for the switch scam, and that they were       going to try to teach ID without mentioning the ID scam unit. The ID       perps were whining that the Dover rubes were not listening to reason and       that they did not want them to try to teach the ID science in the public       schools. No one should have missed the fact that the bait and switch       had gone down on 100% of the creationist rubes that had wanted to teach       ID in the public schools, and that the ID perps were the ones running       the bait and switch scam. Even though the ID perps were claiming that       ID could be taught in the public schools not a single creationist rube       had ever gotten any ID science to teach in the preceding 3 years that       the bait and switch had been going down.              The ID perps started claiming that it was a science and religion issue       as your web site demonstrates is still going on. They tried to wrap       themselves in the cloak of their religious beliefs in order to deflect       the fact that they were obviously the dishonest bad guys in the whole       stupid fiasco. They started claiming that they were on the side of       religion even though they had been running a stupid bait and switch scam       on the creationist rubes for years.              They started their religious web sites, and their creationist news site       started to have religious categories instead of just being creationist       anti-science. They are just using their religious beliefs to try to       make the rubes believe that they are still the good guys even though the       bait and switch continues to go down as West Virginia is the latest       example. They never retracted their teach ID scam propaganda, and they       even doubled down after Dover claiming that the Dover decision was       wrong, and that it is still legal to teach ID in the public schools.       They could not give up on using ID as bait. After Dover the ID Network       tried to sell the switch scam by changing the name of their organization       to COPE and dropping ID from their name, and they had a 100% failure of       selling the switch scam. Zero takers, so they went back to being the ID       Network after around 8 years of failure. The ID perps, using ID as       bait, got the Louisiana creationist rubes to bend over for the Switch       scam in 2008 and the Texas rubes to bend over for the switch scam in       2010. All the others that took the bait dropped the issue instead of       bend over for the switch scam. Ohio dropped their switch scam junk       after the ID perp's Dover failure. All the creationist rubes that took       the bait and bent over for the switch scam did it for dishonest reasons.        The ID perps told them that the switch scam had nothing to do with ID       nor creationism, but Louisiana, Texas, and West Virginia still wanted to       use the switch scam to teach ID. Louisiana even called what they wanted       to teach both intelligent design and creationism.              The ID perps are currently trying to find other ways to disrupt science       education and keep the kids as ignorant as possible because the bait and       switch scam results have been so poor. Only Ohio tried to implement the       switch scam at the state level and stay with the obfuscation and denial.        When Texas and Louisiana tried to implement their switch scam       legislation and school board stupidity they both tried to teach ID       instead of the stupid obfuscation and denial, and the ID perps had to       run the bait and switch on both groups of creationist rubes again in       2013. The Louisiana rubes had previously tried to use the switch scam       to teach ID in 2010, and had the bait and switch run on them at that       time. After the 2013 incident there have been no reports of either       Louisiana nor Texas trying to implement the switch scam. Even though       Texas and Louisiana bent over for the switch scam, it has been a failure       in both states. The author of the West Virginia switch scam legislation       wanted to use the legislation to teach intelligent design even though       she had been forced to remove ID from the act, and replace it with       switch scam language. The ID perps had to remind her that the switch       scam had nothing to do with ID, and Luskin told her that the Discovery       Institute did not support teaching intelligent design in the public       schools. Even after this Dakota took the bait and tried to pass       legislation to teach ID in their public schools before the ID perps       could run the bait and switch. The ID perps were only spared more       public ridicule by the bill failing to pass. Before the bait and switch       had to go down on both Louisiana and Texas again in 2013 the ID perps       were more on the ball and would catch such legislation before it came up       for a vote, but they seem to have missed West Virginia and Dakota       (initially West Virginia passed an act stating that intelligent design       could be taught in the public schools, but it must have not been signed       by the Governor and the ID perps were able to get it rewritten with       switch scam language).              No matter what scheme that the ID perps try, the central focus of the ID       perps is to continue to use ID as bait in order to attract the       creationist rubes. It is their best means of getting the attention of       the creationists dishonest enough to want to believe that the ID scam       (their creationist belief) is viable, so that they can be redirected to       something that might work, instead of fail miserably, like       ID/creationism did in Dover.              Ron Okimoto              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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