From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 3/30/2025 10:36 AM, RonO wrote:   
   > On 3/29/2025 11:58 PM, jillery wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:21:21 -0500, RonO    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> https://seanmcdowell.org/blog/how-is-the-intelligent-design-movement-   
   >>> doing-interview-with-william-dembski   
   >>>   
   >>> I found this Dembski interview while looking for any evidence that the   
   >>> ID bait and switch scam had any type of future.  The interview was from   
   >>> 2016 a couple of years before Dembski had retired from the ID scam as an   
   >>> abject failure.  None of Dembski's junk made it into the Top Six, so   
   >>> that tells you how highly Dembski's "ID science" was regarded by the   
   >>> other ID perps in 2017.   
   >>>   
   >>> As crazy as it may seem along with the usual lies about ID still being   
   >>> viable for anything but bait, Dembski is admitting that the ID perps   
   >>> wanted more religious support from more Christian denominations.  This   
   >>> indicates what a lie the ID scam science claims have always been.  Real   
   >>> science does not need support from organized religion.   
   >>>   
   >>> QUOTE:   
   >>> (2) In my remarks about the role of the church in advancing ID, I was   
   >>> trying to be a bit provocative to get people thinking. To be sure,   
   >>> well-wishers of ID abound in Christian circles. But how many are willing   
   >>> to put their necks on the chopping block and make a real difference in   
   >>> the scientific and cultural debate? As 19th century activist Annie   
   >>> Besant put it:   
   >>>   
   >>> Plenty of people wish well to any good cause, but very few care to exert   
   >>> themselves to help it, and still fewer will risk anything in its   
   >>> support. “Some one ought to do it, but why should I?” is the ever   
   >>> re-echoed phrase of weak-kneed amiability. “Some one ought to do it, so   
   >>> why not I?” is the cry of some earnest servant of man, eagerly forward   
   >>> springing to face some perilous duty.   
   >>>   
   >>> So, how much good has the Christian community really done in advancing   
   >>> ID? Sure, there have been pockets of genuine support in the Christian   
   >>> community. But why is the first and only ID think-tank/research center   
   >>> at a Christian college or university Baylor's Michael Polanyi Center   
   >>> (which I founded in 1999, and which was dismantled the following year   
   >>> --- thanks in this case not to young-earth creationists but to theistic   
   >>> evolutionists)? And why is the $100M spent on a Noah's Ark theme park   
   >>> several times more than has been spent on all ID efforts over the last   
   >>> 20 years? Let's get some sense of proportion.   
   >>> END QUOTE:   
   >>>   
   >>> The ID perps have disenfranchised most of the YEC denominations because   
   >>> they have run the bait and switch on the creationist rubes too many   
   >>> times, and nearly all of them have dropped the issue instead of bending   
   >>> over for the switch scam.  The creationists rubes do not want to teach   
   >>> the obfuscation and denial if they can't tell the students the religious   
   >>> reason for lying to them.  West Virginia in 2024 indicates that there   
   >>> are still YEC creationist rubes that will take the bait, but it is   
   >>> obviously for dishonest religious reasons.   
   >>>   
   >>> You should read this interview in context.  Dembski got first hand   
   >>> experience with what type of theocracy the ID perps were trying to   
   >>> recreate by being forced to recant and apologize to his students at the   
   >>> religious college he was teaching at, in order to keep his job.  He had   
   >>> just told them the truth, that the earth and universe were likely much   
   >>> older than depicted in the Bible and that the Noachian flood was likely   
   >>> local instead of global.  If he had not recanted and apologized he would   
   >>> have been fired.  As it was his contract was not renewed and Dembski   
   >>> ended up working full time for the ID scam unit of the Discovery   
   >>> Institute putting out ID as bait.  Dembski failed to produce any   
   >>> convincing ID science scam material that could be used as useful bait,   
   >>> and Dembski "retired" from the ID scam and the Discovery Institute in   
   >>> 2014 (I think it was 2014).  He claimed that he was moving on from the   
   >>> ID scam, and wanted to go into education.  He was a failure at trying to   
   >>> turn a new leaf and got hired back at the ID scam unit a couple of years   
   >>> after this interview (after the ID perps had killed ID on TO by putting   
   >>> out the Top Six best evidences for ID at the end of 2017).   
   >>>   
   >>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> My impression is the movement has shifted its strategy, from pushing   
   >> to teach ID in public schools, to using public taxes to pay for   
   >> private schools.  Along with SCOTUS providing religious exemptions for   
   >> otherwise illegal activity, eliminating the Department of Education,   
   >> as Trump advocates, would practically guarantee this to happen.   
   >>   
   >> People like Stephen Meyer, a longtime ID advocate, has teamed up with   
   >> Prager University to spread the word:   
   >>   
      
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