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   > After the ID perps lost so badly in Dover, the fact that they were   
   > actively trying to get the Dover rubes to not teach the ID scam junk   
   > before the issue went to court, and the fact that half of the ID perps   
   > ran instead of testifying pretty much made the ID scam unit at the   
   > Discovery Institute look like it wasn't a very Christian organization.   
   > Everyone should recall the press releases coming out of the ID scam unit   
   > at the Discovery Institute after the Dover rubes announced that they   
   > were not going to bend over for the switch scam, and that they were   
   > going to try to teach ID without mentioning the ID scam unit.  The ID   
   > perps were whining that the Dover rubes were not listening to reason and   
   > that they did not want them to try to teach the ID science in the public   
   > schools.  No one should have missed the fact that the bait and switch   
   > had gone down on 100% of the creationist rubes that had wanted to teach   
   > ID in the public schools, and that the ID perps were the ones running   
   > the bait and switch scam.  Even though the ID perps were claiming that   
   > ID could be taught in the public schools not a single creationist rube   
   > had ever gotten any ID science to teach in the preceding 3 years that   
   > the bait and switch had been going down.   
   >   
   > The ID perps started claiming that it was a science and religion issue   
   > as your web site demonstrates is still going on.  They tried to wrap   
   > themselves in the cloak of their religious beliefs in order to deflect   
   > the fact that they were obviously the dishonest bad guys in the whole   
   > stupid fiasco.  They started claiming that they were on the side of   
   > religion even though they had been running a stupid bait and switch scam   
   > on the creationist rubes for years.   
      
   I should note that the retreat to their religious roots happened after   
   the loss in Dover.  It was their only excuse for running the bogus ID   
   scam for a decade.  When they realized that the ID scam was going to be   
   tested in the Federal courts they initially tried to distance themselves   
   from their own religious beliefs.  They cleaned up the ISCID web site   
   that had been moribund since the bait and switch had started to go down.   
     The last "science" paper had been put up in early 2003, and the site   
   was pretty much dead by 2005, but the ID perps took it over and   
   reformated the site.  What should be noted is that they obviously   
   removed some of the papers that had been put up on the original web   
   site.  You couldn't find the flood geology paper (yes a paper trying to   
   support Noah's flood) that had been up on the ISCID site for years,   
   after the ID perps reformat of the site.  I recall that they only   
   boosted their religious arguments after the failure of the ID scam in   
   the Federal court.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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   > They started their religious web sites, and their creationist news site   
   > started to have religious categories instead of just being creationist   
   > anti-science.  They are just using their religious beliefs to try to   
   > make the rubes believe that they are still the good guys even though the   
   > bait and switch continues to go down as West Virginia is the latest   
   > example.  They never retracted their teach ID scam propaganda, and they   
   > even doubled down after Dover claiming that the Dover decision was   
   > wrong, and that it is still legal to teach ID in the public schools.   
   > They could not give up on using ID as bait.  After Dover the ID Network   
   > tried to sell the switch scam by changing the name of their organization   
   > to COPE and dropping ID from their name, and they had a 100% failure of   
   > selling the switch scam.  Zero takers, so they went back to being the ID   
   > Network after around 8 years of failure.  The ID perps, using ID as   
   > bait, got the Louisiana creationist rubes to bend over for the Switch   
   > scam in 2008 and the Texas rubes to bend over for the switch scam in   
   > 2010.  All the others that took the bait dropped the issue instead of   
   > bend over for the switch scam.  Ohio dropped their switch scam junk   
   > after the ID perp's Dover failure.  All the creationist rubes that took   
   > the bait and bent over for the switch scam did it for dishonest reasons.   
   >   The ID perps told them that the switch scam had nothing to do with ID   
   > nor creationism, but Louisiana, Texas, and West Virginia still wanted to   
   > use the switch scam to teach ID.  Louisiana even called what they wanted   
   > to teach both intelligent design and creationism.   
   >   
   > The ID perps are currently trying to find other ways to disrupt science   
   > education and keep the kids as ignorant as possible because the bait and   
   > switch scam results have been so poor.  Only Ohio tried to implement the   
   > switch scam at the state level and stay with the obfuscation and denial.   
   >   When Texas and Louisiana tried to implement their switch scam   
   > legislation and school board stupidity they both tried to teach ID   
   > instead of the stupid obfuscation and denial, and the ID perps had to   
   > run the bait and switch on both groups of creationist rubes again in   
   > 2013.  The Louisiana rubes had previously tried to use the switch scam   
   > to teach ID in 2010, and had the bait and switch run on them at that   
   > time.  After the 2013 incident there have been no reports of either   
   > Louisiana nor Texas trying to implement the switch scam.  Even though   
   > Texas and Louisiana bent over for the switch scam, it has been a failure   
   > in both states.  The author of the West Virginia switch scam legislation   
   > wanted to use the legislation to teach intelligent design even though   
   > she had been forced to remove ID from the act, and replace it with   
   > switch scam language.  The ID perps had to remind her that the switch   
   > scam had nothing to do with ID, and Luskin told her that the Discovery   
   > Institute did not support teaching intelligent design in the public   
   > schools.  Even after this Dakota took the bait and tried to pass   
   > legislation to teach ID in their public schools before the ID perps   
   > could run the bait and switch.  The ID perps were only spared more   
   > public ridicule by the bill failing to pass.  Before the bait and switch   
   > had to go down on both Louisiana and Texas again in 2013 the ID perps   
   > were more on the ball and would catch such legislation before it came up   
   > for a vote, but they seem to have missed West Virginia and Dakota   
   > (initially West Virginia passed an act stating that intelligent design   
   > could be taught in the public schools, but it must have not been signed   
   > by the Governor and the ID perps were able to get it rewritten with   
   > switch scam language).   
   >   
   > No matter what scheme that the ID perps try, the central focus of the ID   
   > perps is to continue to use ID as bait in order to attract the   
   > creationist rubes.  It is their best means of getting the attention of   
   > the creationists dishonest enough to want to believe that the ID scam   
   > (their creationist belief) is viable, so that they can be redirected to   
   > something that might work, instead of fail miserably, like ID/   
   > creationism did in Dover.   
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   > Ron Okimoto   
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