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   Ernest Major to Athel Cornish-Bowden   
   Re: OT: Trans Day of Visibility 2025 AMA   
   01 Apr 25 12:38:55   
   
   From: {$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk   
      
   On 01/04/2025 10:13, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:   
   > On 2025-04-01 00:51:34 +0000, Bob Casanova said:   
   >   
   >> On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 13:34:39 -0500, the following appeared   
   >> in talk.origins, posted by DB Cates :   
   >>   
   >>> On 2025-03-31 11:38 a.m., Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-03-31 16:19:18 +0000, Bob Casanova said:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 08:04:13 -0700, the following appeared   
   >>>>> in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson   
   >>>>> :   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 3/30/25 7:00 PM, Kestrel Clayton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The last day of March is the Transgender Day of Visibility, a day to   
   >>>>>>> improve awareness of transgender people, to draw attention to the   
   >>>>>>> challenges and oppression we face, and help people understand us   
   >>>>>>> better.   
   >>>>>>> The TDoV is more important than ever in 2025, as the Trump   
   >>>>>>> Administration has put us squarely in its target sights.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> One of the ways I can fight for my existence, and that of several   
   >>>>>>> of my   
   >>>>>>> friends and loved ones, is by being visible as myself, answering   
   >>>>>>> questions, and demystifying trans people.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I am a transgender woman. I am visible. Ask me anything.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Intending no disrespect, I'm sympathetic to anyone with gender   
   >>>>>> dysphoria.  It's probably a conclusion that you and others have   
   >>>>>> reached   
   >>>>>> only after some serious introspection.  That's your business, not   
   >>>>>> mine,   
   >>>>>> and doesn't disturb me in the slightest.  I do object to biological   
   >>>>>> males competing in women's sports, and I think it's a very bad   
   >>>>>> idea for   
   >>>>>> minors to do anything irrevocable before their brains are at least   
   >>>>>> soft-boiled.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> Agreed. All.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Agreed. All.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>> Sort of agreed, but re: sports, how exactly do you define 'biological   
   >>> male' and how would you plan to enforce it? And yes, it is a bad idea   
   >>> for minors to do anything irrevocable. The cases I know of are in late   
   >>> adolescence with a long history of really knowing what they want and   
   >>> decisions made by doctor/parent in cases of infants with ambiguous or   
   >>> damaged genitalia. I'm okay with the first but dead against the second.   
   >>>   
   >> The issue is regarding the difference between biological   
   >> males (generally XY) and biological females (generally XX)   
   >> in upper-body strength after puberty; if it weren't a   
   >> problem such athletes as "Lia" Thomas wouldn't go from   
   >> underperforming in men's sports to record breakers in female   
   >> sports, and the records would be comparable between males   
   >> and females. But they aren't. Titlele IX was passed for a   
   >> reason. If you have no interest in fair competition, fine,   
   >> but at least recognize that there *is* a difference.   
   >   
   > "Lia" Thomas isn't the worst example. I find it appalling that the   
   > International Olympic Committee found it perfectly OK to have a man   
   > beating up a woman as a legitimate spectator sport.   
   >   
      
   Have you been deceived by the misinformation spread about Imane Khelif?   
      
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imane_Khelif   
      
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