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|    Re: Oklahoma religious movement in publi    |
|    02 Apr 25 10:22:43    |
      [continued from previous message]              > and switch run on them in 2024. Even though the legislator had to       > remove mentioning ID from the legislation and replace it with switch       > scam language, she still claimed that the legislation would allow       > teaching ID in the public schools. The ID perps had to step forward and       > tell her that the switch scam has nothing to do with ID and that the       > Discovery Institute did not support teaching ID in the public schools.       > Luskin is running the bait and switch on the rubes now, and he is one of       > the authors of the Educator's briefing packet that tells the rubes that       > it is still legal to teach ID in the public schools.       >       > For the last 23 years the ID perps have just been perpetrating a bait       > and switch scam on hapless, stupid and dishonest creationist rubes. All       > ID has been is bait. They have done nothing else with ID.       >       > Ron Okimoto       >              I should add that when I started to call the Discovery Institute       creationist fellows ID perps the bait and switch had gone down on 100%       of the creationist rubes that had wanted to teach the junk in their       public schools for over 2 years. The Seth Cooper wiki quote above       indicates that the Discovery Institute was employing someone to make       sure that the switch scam went down on all those who took the bait.              Both creationist legislators and state school boards had been victims of       the Discovery Institutes ID bait and switch scam. The bait and switch       had even gone down on local school boards like the Dover rubes turned       out to be about half a year after I had started calling the scam what it       obviously was. This was in 2004, and there wasn't any vehement       objections on TO because both the creationists and TO regulars knew what       was going on. ID had first come to TO in the 1990's as something that       could be taught in the public schools. Phillip Johnson had made       teaching ID in the public schools a major part of the Wedge strategy.              The main objection that I got on TO at that time was that the switch       scam was not much different than the original Teach the Controversy ID       scam. This was true, originally ID was part of the controversy that the       ID perps wanted to teach. The Ohio Model Lesson plan demonstrated that       the switch scam was just the usual creationist obfuscation and denial of       existing science. The obfuscation and denial was a major part of the       Teach the Controversy creationist ploy. Wells (one of the original ID       perps) had published his book Icons of Evolution in 2000. Most of the       obfuscation and denial had been used by the Scientific creationists for       decades before the ID perps used the same material. The Wellsian lie of       "no moths found on tree trunks" got into the initial draft of the Ohio       lesson plan and had to be rewritten. The switch scam is just the       creationist obfuscation and denial without being able to mention why       they are lying to the students. The Ohio rubes wanted to teach       creationism in their public schools, but all they ended up with was the       obfuscation and denial junk, and were told that they could not mention       that ID nor creationism ever existed. They screwed up because they were       a dishonest bunch of creationists, and the original draft still had       creationist web links in it and these were claimed to be resources for       teachers. They also had stupidly included the Wellsian lie in the       lesson plan, so the web links were deleted and all mention of ID perps       were deleted. They even deleted the citation to Wells' book even though       it had obviously been used to create the lesson plan.       The teach ID scam guide book published in 1999. This guide book remains       avaliable at ARN (ARN is the sales arm of the ID perps and is where they       sell their books and other junk). The ID perps never retracted anything       that they wrote in this guide book. All the authors were fellows of the       Discovery Institute. Meyer was director of the ID scam unit, DeWolf was       head of legal, and DeForrest claimed to be a fellow of the Discovery       Institute on his Gonzaga web page, but like REMINE he was never listed       as a fellow on the Discovery Institute web page, that I know of.              https://arn.org/docs/dewolf/guidebook.htm              QUOTE:       9. Conclusion       Local school boards and state education officials are frequently       pressured to avoid teaching the controversy regarding biological       origins. Indeed, many groups, such as the National Academy of Sciences,       go so far as to deny the existence of any genuine scientific controversy       about the issue. 160 Nevertheless, teachers should be reassured that       they have the right to expose their students to the problems as well as       the appeal of Darwinian theory. Moreover, as the previous discussion       demonstrates, school boards have the authority to permit, and even       encourage, teaching about design theory as an alternative to Darwinian       evolution-and this includes the use of textbooks such as Of Pandas and       People that present evidence for the theory of intelligent design.              The controlling legal authority, the Supreme Court's decision in Edwards       v. Aguillard, explicitly permits the inclusion of alternatives to       Darwinian evolution so long as those alternatives are based on       scientific evidence and not motivated by strictly religious concerns.       Since design theory is based on scientific evidence rather than       religious assumptions, it clearly meets this test. Including discussions       of design in the science curriculum thus serves an important goal of       making education inclusive, rather than exclusionary. In addition, it       provides students with an important demonstration of the best way for       them as future scientists and citizens to resolve scientific       controversies-by a careful and fair-minded examination of the evidence.       END QUOTE:              The ID perps obviously wanted to teach their ID scam science, and       claimed that the book Of Pandas and People could be used to teach the       junk in the public schools. The Dover rubes purchased Of Pandas and       People for that purpose when they blew off the bait and switch and tried       to teach the ID creationist scam junk anyway.              Thaxton edited Of Pandas and People, Kenyon was one of the main authors,       Meyer wrote the teachers notes for the book, and Behe admitted to       writing some of the book, but was not credited. All of them were among       the original ID perps that started the ID scam unit of the Discovery       Institute.              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Pandas_and_People              All this means that the bait and switch scam should have been common       knowledge among both creationists and the science side on TO for       decades. As a side note about the Wellsian lie about "No moths found on       tree trunks", I was posting at ARN at the time that the draft of the       Ohio Model Lesson plan was released by the Ohio board. At that time       (2003) most of the IDiots on ARN had given up on teaching the junk in       the public schools (the bait and switch scam had gone down at least a       dozen times by that time) but there were a few IDiots that still       believed that ID would be taught in the Ohio public schools. Their       hopes were dashed when the final draft deleted the creationist web links       and all mention of ID perps, and the Wellsian lie had been corrected.       Someone on ARN wanted to defend the Wellsian lie as an "exaggeration".       Fictional Vulcan logic to defend the bogus creationist bait and switch       scam. After it was clear that the bait and switch had gone down and       that no ID was going to be taught in Ohio, Mike Gene admitted that he              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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