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   Message 140,906 of 142,579   
   RonO to RonO   
   Re: Oklahoma religious movement in publi   
   02 Apr 25 10:22:43   
   
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   > and switch run on them in 2024.  Even though the legislator had to   
   > remove mentioning ID from the legislation and replace it with switch   
   > scam language, she still claimed that the legislation would allow   
   > teaching ID in the public schools.  The ID perps had to step forward and   
   > tell her that the switch scam has nothing to do with ID and that the   
   > Discovery Institute did not support teaching ID in the public schools.   
   > Luskin is running the bait and switch on the rubes now, and he is one of   
   > the authors of the Educator's briefing packet that tells the rubes that   
   > it is still legal to teach ID in the public schools.   
   >   
   > For the last 23 years the ID perps have just been perpetrating a bait   
   > and switch scam on hapless, stupid and dishonest creationist rubes.  All   
   > ID has been is bait.  They have done nothing else with ID.   
   >   
   > Ron Okimoto   
   >   
      
   I should add that when I started to call the Discovery Institute   
   creationist fellows ID perps the bait and switch had gone down on 100%   
   of the creationist rubes that had wanted to teach the junk in their   
   public schools for over 2 years.  The Seth Cooper wiki quote above   
   indicates that the Discovery Institute was employing someone to make   
   sure that the switch scam went down on all those who took the bait.   
      
   Both creationist legislators and state school boards had been victims of   
   the Discovery Institutes ID bait and switch scam.  The bait and switch   
   had even gone down on local school boards like the Dover rubes turned   
   out to be about half a year after I had started calling the scam what it   
   obviously was.  This was in 2004, and there wasn't any vehement   
   objections on TO because both the creationists and TO regulars knew what   
   was going on.  ID had first come to TO in the 1990's as something that   
   could be taught in the public schools.  Phillip Johnson had made   
   teaching ID in the public schools a major part of the Wedge strategy.   
      
   The main objection that I got on TO at that time was that the switch   
   scam was not much different than the original Teach the Controversy ID   
   scam.  This was true, originally ID was part of the controversy that the   
   ID perps wanted to teach.  The Ohio Model Lesson plan demonstrated that   
   the switch scam was just the usual creationist obfuscation and denial of   
   existing science.  The obfuscation and denial was a major part of the   
   Teach the Controversy creationist ploy.  Wells (one of the original ID   
   perps) had published his book Icons of Evolution in 2000.  Most of the   
   obfuscation and denial had been used by the Scientific creationists for   
   decades before the ID perps used the same material.  The Wellsian lie of   
   "no moths found on tree trunks" got into the initial draft of the Ohio   
   lesson plan and had to be rewritten.  The switch scam is just the   
   creationist obfuscation and denial without being able to mention why   
   they are lying to the students.  The Ohio rubes wanted to teach   
   creationism in their public schools, but all they ended up with was the   
   obfuscation and denial junk, and were told that they could not mention   
   that ID nor creationism ever existed.  They screwed up because they were   
   a dishonest bunch of creationists, and the original draft still had   
   creationist web links in it and these were claimed to be resources for   
   teachers.  They also had stupidly included the Wellsian lie in the   
   lesson plan, so the web links were deleted and all mention of ID perps   
   were deleted.  They even deleted the citation to Wells' book even though   
   it had obviously been used to create the lesson plan.   
   The teach ID scam guide book published in 1999.  This guide book remains   
   avaliable at ARN (ARN is the sales arm of the ID perps and is where they   
   sell their books and other junk).  The ID perps never retracted anything   
   that they wrote in this guide book.  All the authors were fellows of the   
   Discovery Institute.  Meyer was director of the ID scam unit, DeWolf was   
   head of legal, and DeForrest claimed to be a fellow of the Discovery   
   Institute on his Gonzaga web page, but like REMINE he was never listed   
   as a fellow on the Discovery Institute web page, that I know of.   
      
   https://arn.org/docs/dewolf/guidebook.htm   
      
   QUOTE:   
   9. Conclusion   
   Local school boards and state education officials are frequently   
   pressured to avoid teaching the controversy regarding biological   
   origins. Indeed, many groups, such as the National Academy of Sciences,   
   go so far as to deny the existence of any genuine scientific controversy   
   about the issue. 160 Nevertheless, teachers should be reassured that   
   they have the right to expose their students to the problems as well as   
   the appeal of Darwinian theory. Moreover, as the previous discussion   
   demonstrates, school boards have the authority to permit, and even   
   encourage, teaching about design theory as an alternative to Darwinian   
   evolution-and this includes the use of textbooks such as Of Pandas and   
   People that present evidence for the theory of intelligent design.   
      
   The controlling legal authority, the Supreme Court's decision in Edwards   
   v. Aguillard, explicitly permits the inclusion of alternatives to   
   Darwinian evolution so long as those alternatives are based on   
   scientific evidence and not motivated by strictly religious concerns.   
   Since design theory is based on scientific evidence rather than   
   religious assumptions, it clearly meets this test. Including discussions   
   of design in the science curriculum thus serves an important goal of   
   making education inclusive, rather than exclusionary. In addition, it   
   provides students with an important demonstration of the best way for   
   them as future scientists and citizens to resolve scientific   
   controversies-by a careful and fair-minded examination of the evidence.   
   END QUOTE:   
      
   The ID perps obviously wanted to teach their ID scam science, and   
   claimed that the book Of Pandas and People could be used to teach the   
   junk in the public schools.  The Dover rubes purchased Of Pandas and   
   People for that purpose when they blew off the bait and switch and tried   
   to teach the ID creationist scam junk anyway.   
      
   Thaxton edited Of Pandas and People, Kenyon was one of the main authors,   
   Meyer wrote the teachers notes for the book, and Behe admitted to   
   writing some of the book, but was not credited.  All of them were among   
   the original ID perps that started the ID scam unit of the Discovery   
   Institute.   
      
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Pandas_and_People   
      
   All this means that the bait and switch scam should have been common   
   knowledge among both creationists and the science side on TO for   
   decades.  As a side note about the Wellsian lie about "No moths found on   
   tree trunks", I was posting at ARN at the time that the draft of the   
   Ohio Model Lesson plan was released by the Ohio board.  At that time   
   (2003) most of the IDiots on ARN had given up on teaching the junk in   
   the public schools (the bait and switch scam had gone down at least a   
   dozen times by that time) but there were a few IDiots that still   
   believed that ID would be taught in the Ohio public schools.  Their   
   hopes were dashed when the final draft deleted the creationist web links   
   and all mention of ID perps, and the Wellsian lie had been corrected.   
   Someone on ARN wanted to defend the Wellsian lie as an "exaggeration".   
   Fictional Vulcan logic to defend the bogus creationist bait and switch   
   scam.  After it was clear that the bait and switch had gone down and   
   that no ID was going to be taught in Ohio, Mike Gene admitted that he   
      
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