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   had given up on teaching the ID scam junk back in 1999 (this was in   
   2003).  Mike Gene had admitted to attending the ID perp conferences, and   
   apparently he had understood very early that they were not going to be   
   able to teach any of their junk.  Mike Gene continued to support the use   
   of ID as bait until the failure of ID in Dover, and the Ohio State board   
   of education dropped their switch scam junk in 2007.  Someone on TO   
   posted the response from Uncommon Descent to Mike Gene quiting the ID   
   scam and admitting that the ID science had never existed in 2007.   
      
   So I has started to call ID the scam that it has been for over 23 years,   
   and the ID perps the perpetrators of the bait and switch scam since   
   there was absolutely no doubt about what they were doing.  The bait and   
   switch had been going down for over 2 years in 100% of the cases where   
   the creationist rubes had wanted to teach ID, and the bait and switch   
   has continued to this day because even after the fiasco in Dover, the ID   
   perps just doubled down, and started claiming that the Dover decision   
   was wrong, and that it was still legal to teach ID in the public schools   
   outside of Dover Penn (the federal court decision only applied to the   
   middle federal court district of Penn.).  They kept putting out ID as   
   bait, but in 100% of the cases they have run the bait and switch, and   
   all the creationist rubes have ever gotten is the obfuscation and denial   
   switch scam that cannot mention that ID nor creationism ever existed.   
   Nearly all the creationists that have had the bait and switch run on   
   them have dropped the issue instead of bend over for the switch scam   
   because they do not want to teach the students enough science for them   
   to understand what they need to deny if they can't tell them why they   
   are lying to the students.   
      
   The dishonest creationists that bent over and took the switch scam did   
   so for dishonest reasons, and they all have used the switch scam to try   
   to teach ID and or creationism in their public schools.  The recent case   
   in West Virginia had the legislator forced to replace teaching ID with   
   switch scam language that did not mention ID nor creationism, and she   
   still claimed that the legislation would allow teaching ID in the public   
   schools.  All the rubes that have tried to use the switch scam to teach   
   ID have had the bait and switch run on them again.  That is the kind of   
   creationist rube that take the bait at this late date in the bait and   
   switch scam.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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