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   Message 141,037 of 142,579   
   RonO to RonO   
   Re: New infections with the dairy virus    
   30 Jun 25 19:19:58   
   
   From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 6/30/2025 5:09 PM, RonO wrote:   
   > On 6/30/2025 4:42 PM, RonO wrote:   
   >> https://hogvet51.substack.com/p/h5n1-dairy-infection-narratives-and   
   >>   
   >> I found this site on dairy influenza, and this article notes most of   
   >> what I have been reporting on.  The lack of testing and epidemiology   
   >> studies.  They still do not know how the cows are getting infected.   
   >> The claim that contaminated milking equipment might be the source of   
   >> infection or animal contact can't be replicated.  Cows living with   
   >> infected cows do not get infected, and repeated contact with   
   >> contaminated milking equipment failed to transmit the virus.   
   >>   
   >> The missing component in the tests were infected dairy workers working   
   >> with the cattle.   
   >>   
   >> There is also the note that they do not know how the poultry farms are   
   >> getting infected even though they go down around infected dairies.   
   >> Again they fail to note that infected dairy workers likely also work   
   >> at the poultry farms.   
   >>   
   >> It seems crazy that they haven't figured out how dairy workers are   
   >> transmitting the virus to the cows and poultry.   
   >>   
   >> This article also notes that the USDA is not reporting new infections   
   >> if they occur in states that have cleared the virus already.   
   >> Apparently Colorado has started to report more infected herds, but   
   >> they aren't counted because the herds were previously infected last   
   >> year.  They aren't even noting if it is the D1.1 virus or the B3.13   
   >> dairy infection.   Nevada and Arizona were infected with the D1.1   
   >> genotype, and it turned out to be the same lineage that infected the   
   >> Washington state poultry workers, and the Wyoming human patient and   
   >> the Nevada dairies and dairy worker.  These were the poultry workers   
   >> that got caught leaving Washington (several of them were detected as   
   >> positive in Oregon and sent back to Washington).  What likely happened   
   >> is that some of the infected poultry workers or their contacts were   
   >> not detected and managed to get to Nevada and eventually Wyoming and   
   >> Arizona.  The epidemiology was never attempted.  They never tested the   
   >> dairy workers and never did contact tracing between the dairies in   
   >> Nevada and Arizona.  They knew that they didn't get cattle, but they   
   >> refused to determine if dairy workers had moved from state to state.   
   >>   
   >> QUOTE:   
   >> We continue to have good evidence that both the B3.13 and D1.1 strains   
   >> persist in infected herds and spread onward to new herds and to   
   >> poultry flocks via unknown mechanisms despite assumed best efforts to   
   >> contain spread with quarantines and increased biosecurity.   
   >> END QUOTE:   
   >>   
   >>  From this guys article the missing link to infecting more dairy   
   >> cattle are the dairy workers.  The studies that failed to transmit the   
   >> virus did not have infected dairy workers working with the cattle.   
   >> One early article noted that dairy workers were likely getting eye   
   >> infections because they wiped their faces with the same towel that   
   >> they washed the cows utters with before applying the suction cups.   
   >> Spreading the virus could work both ways with that towel.  They refuse   
   >> to make restricting dairy worker movements a requirement for   
   >> quarantine.  It is still only recommended that dairy workers do not   
   >> work on other farms if they work at an infected dairy.  No one should   
   >> wonder how it spreads to other herds after all the infected herds have   
   >> been identified and quarantined.   
   >>   
   >> It has been known since the first flocks got infected in Michigan that   
   >> dairy workers from infected dairies also worked on the commercial   
   >> farms that got infected.  How the poultry flocks are being infected   
   >> should be no mystery.   
   >>   
   >> This guy also notes that poultry flocks are going down with the dairy   
   >> virus in the Midwest and those states are not reporting infected dairy   
   >> herds as is likely the case.  Everyone understands that the poultry   
   >> flocks are getting infected by the nearby dairy herds, but no one   
   >> wants to admit that dairy workers are taking the virus to the poultry   
   >> farms.   
   >>   
   >> Ron Okimoto   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   > I should note that the Missouri study that found that most dairy cattle   
   > tested had antibodies to human influenza A (the samples were collected   
   > before the dairy epidemic hit Missouri).  They could not have gotten   
   > infected by wild birds because wild birds are not infected by human   
   > adapted influenza A.  The obvious vector of transmission to dairy cattle   
   > are infected dairy workers infecting the cattle.   
   >   
   > The study found that most dairy cattle were being infected by human   
   > influenza A or swine influenza A (can also infect humans).  So influenza   
   > infection of dairy cattle is not unusual, and since it was human adapted   
   > influenza A it was likely due to the spread of the virus among the human   
   > population (dairy workers were giving the virus to the cows).   
   >   
   > They are also likely infecting cattle with the dairy virus, since the   
      
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