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   Message 141,058 of 142,579   
   RonO to RonO   
   Re: New infections with the dairy virus    
   08 Jul 25 07:40:59   
   
   From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 6/30/2025 4:42 PM, RonO wrote:   
   > https://hogvet51.substack.com/p/h5n1-dairy-infection-narratives-and   
   >   
   > I found this site on dairy influenza, and this article notes most of   
   > what I have been reporting on.  The lack of testing and epidemiology   
   > studies.  They still do not know how the cows are getting infected.  The   
   > claim that contaminated milking equipment might be the source of   
   > infection or animal contact can't be replicated.  Cows living with   
   > infected cows do not get infected, and repeated contact with   
   > contaminated milking equipment failed to transmit the virus.   
   >   
   > The missing component in the tests were infected dairy workers working   
   > with the cattle.   
   >   
   > There is also the note that they do not know how the poultry farms are   
   > getting infected even though they go down around infected dairies. Again   
   > they fail to note that infected dairy workers likely also work at the   
   > poultry farms.   
   >   
   > It seems crazy that they haven't figured out how dairy workers are   
   > transmitting the virus to the cows and poultry.   
   >   
   > This article also notes that the USDA is not reporting new infections if   
   > they occur in states that have cleared the virus already.  Apparently   
   > Colorado has started to report more infected herds, but they aren't   
   > counted because the herds were previously infected last year.  They   
   > aren't even noting if it is the D1.1 virus or the B3.13 dairy infection.   
   >   Nevada and Arizona were infected with the D1.1 genotype, and it turned   
   > out to be the same lineage that infected the Washington state poultry   
   > workers, and the Wyoming human patient and the Nevada dairies and dairy   
   > worker.  These were the poultry workers that got caught leaving   
   > Washington (several of them were detected as positive in Oregon and sent   
   > back to Washington).  What likely happened is that some of the infected   
   > poultry workers or their contacts were not detected and managed to get   
   > to Nevada and eventually Wyoming and Arizona.  The epidemiology was   
   > never attempted.  They never tested the dairy workers and never did   
   > contact tracing between the dairies in Nevada and Arizona.  They knew   
   > that they didn't get cattle, but they refused to determine if dairy   
   > workers had moved from state to state.   
   >   
   > QUOTE:   
   > We continue to have good evidence that both the B3.13 and D1.1 strains   
   > persist in infected herds and spread onward to new herds and to poultry   
   > flocks via unknown mechanisms despite assumed best efforts to contain   
   > spread with quarantines and increased biosecurity.   
   > END QUOTE:   
   >   
   >  From this guys article the missing link to infecting more dairy cattle   
   > are the dairy workers.  The studies that failed to transmit the virus   
   > did not have infected dairy workers working with the cattle.  One early   
   > article noted that dairy workers were likely getting eye infections   
   > because they wiped their faces with the same towel that they washed the   
   > cows utters with before applying the suction cups.  Spreading the virus   
   > could work both ways with that towel.  They refuse to make restricting   
   > dairy worker movements a requirement for quarantine.  It is still only   
   > recommended that dairy workers do not work on other farms if they work   
   > at an infected dairy.  No one should wonder how it spreads to other   
   > herds after all the infected herds have been identified and quarantined.   
   >   
   > It has been known since the first flocks got infected in Michigan that   
   > dairy workers from infected dairies also worked on the commercial farms   
   > that got infected.  How the poultry flocks are being infected should be   
   > no mystery.   
   >   
   > This guy also notes that poultry flocks are going down with the dairy   
   > virus in the Midwest and those states are not reporting infected dairy   
   > herds as is likely the case.  Everyone understands that the poultry   
   > flocks are getting infected by the nearby dairy herds, but no one wants   
   > to admit that dairy workers are taking the virus to the poultry farms.   
   >   
   > Ron Okimoto   
   >   
      
   The USDA hasn't just quit updating their lists of infected herds and   
   flocks because they are reinfected herds and flocks.  The article linked   
   to above noted that the USDA had stopped reporting new infections, but   
   now the USDA has removed the web sites that they were reporting that   
   information on.  The web sites have been "archived" and my no longer be   
   updated.   
      
   California hasn't updated the dairy situation in California since May,   
   and there have been new herd infections reported by the USDA in   
   California since the last California update.   
      
   It looks like they just want to pretend that the whole thing is over   
   when herds are beginning to be reinfected in multiple states, and the   
   D1.1 infection continues to spread in Arizona.  Minnesota and Colorado   
   have reported reinvected herds, but they were not reported by the USDA   
   (were not placed on the list of infected herds).  They also have not   
   reported what genotype the reinfected herds have been infected with.   
   They have restricted cattle movements from infected herds, but they have   
      
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