From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 7/17/2025 12:44 AM, MarkE wrote:   
   >  From this recent EN article: https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new-   
   > article-from-james-tour-undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/   
   >   
   > 'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide chain   
   > elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al. (2025)   
   > identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth, including   
   > the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic structures, stringent   
   > environmental requirements, and unfavorable thermodynamics. Their   
   > analysis establishes that the rate of growth must be far smaller than   
   > one added amino acid per chain per day."   
   >   
   > "Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200   
   > amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain   
   > would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The   
   > challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter   
   > half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles   
   > during formation."   
   >   
   > Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010   
   >   
   > No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think an   
   > example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental challenges to   
   > OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge, weakening   
   > materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core claim.   
   >   
   >   
   It is only an example of the continuation of Biblical creationist's   
   denial of the fact that nature is not Biblical.   
      
   Tour really doesn't care if some god was responsible for making these   
   initial polymers (if they ever needed to exist because no one knows what   
   the first molecular self replicators were).  That god is not the god   
   described in the Bible.  Like you, he only wants to deny reality.   
      
   Has anyone proposed that the origin of life depends on condensation   
   polymerization in solution?  RNA likely wasn't what the first self   
   replicators were made of.  The RNA world would have come after there   
   were simple molecular self replicators.  Everything that I recall has   
   been looking for catalytic surfaces that could be mineral or part   
   mineral to make macromolecules.  I do not think that anyone ever wanted   
   to depend on amino acids or nucleotides combining in solution.  Yes, the   
   reaction will spontaneously occur, but no one was depending on it to   
   happen to form long polymers.  If the long polymers were self   
   replicators they would have the catalytic ability to make more long   
   polymers.  They would not be subject to the Tour's time limit, and if   
   the first ploymers were formed by the catalytic activity of clay or   
   other mineral surfaces they would not be subject to Tour's time limit.   
      
   Google definition of catalysis:   
   Catalysis is the process of increasing the rate of a chemical reaction   
   by adding a substance called a catalyst, which itself is not consumed in   
   the reaction. Catalysts work by providing an alternative reaction   
   pathway with a lower activation energy, making it easier for the   
   reaction to proceed. Catalysis is crucial in many industrial processes,   
   as well as in biological systems like the human body.   
      
   Tour knows that there never was any ID creation science, and he knows   
   that what he is doing is not support for his religious beliefs.  It is   
   only denial for the sake of denial.   
      
   You do owe, at least, me the explanation that I requested after   
   answering all your denial posts.   
      
   REPOST:   
   MarkE, you likely owe everyone a straight forward statement on how you   
   intend to integrate the god that would have been responsible for setting   
   chirality into the initial lifeforms over 3 billion years ago into your   
   Biblical beliefs.  Such a god would not be the god described in the   
   Bible, so what good would filling that gap with a god do for you?  Gap   
   denial was all that the ID perps ever had, and the only thing that   
   creationists like Tour can continue with.  Isn't it senseless to keep   
   doing that at this time?  Tour even admits that he has known that ID has   
   always been a scam, and that he doesn't know how to do any ID science,   
   so there obviously had never been any ID science to sell to creationist   
   rubes.   
      
   Most of the other IDiots quit supporting the gap denial because they had   
   their faces rubbed in the fact that the god that filled the Top Six gaps   
   is not the Biblical god that they want to worship.  Bill would rather   
   lie about never supporting the creationist ID scam rather than deal with   
   the Top Six in a straight forward and honest manner.  Bill is the IDiot   
   that once claimed that he knew some real ID scientists, that had the   
   real ID science, but he wouldn't tell us who they were, nor what ID   
   science they had.  Kalk quit supporting the ID scam, admitted that he   
   wasn't hindu and claimed that he was going to concentrate on other   
   aspects of his religious beliefs.  Pagano just quit posting.  The Top   
   Six did not support his geocentric Biblical universe, and Pagano even   
      
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