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   Message 141,105 of 142,579   
   Kalkidas to Martin Harran   
   Re: "Thermodynamic Limitations on the Na   
   19 Jul 25 11:38:07   
   
   From: eat@joes.pub   
      
   On 7/17/2025 11:37 PM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   > On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 12:46:47 -0700, Kalkidas  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 7/17/2025 11:23 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   >>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 15:44:28 +1000, MarkE  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>   From this recent EN article:   
   >>>> https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/new-article-from-james-to   
   r-undermines-a-pillar-of-origin-of-life-theories/   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 'In comparison to a protein’s half-life, the rate of polypeptide chain   
   >>>> elongation under prebiotic conditions is very long. Yang et al. (2025)   
   >>>> identify numerous barriers to sustained polypeptide growth, including   
   >>>> the formation of non-peptide linkages and cyclic structures, stringent   
   >>>> environmental requirements, and unfavorable thermodynamics. Their   
   >>>> analysis establishes that the rate of growth must be far smaller than   
   >>>> one added amino acid per chain per day."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Even assuming one addition each day, synthesizing a protein of 200   
   >>>> amino acids would require over six months. However, the growing chain   
   >>>> would almost certainly degrade in a much shorter time span. The   
   >>>> challenge is even greater for RNA, which has a significantly shorter   
   >>>> half-life and encounters additional chemical and structural hurdles   
   >>>> during formation."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Paper here: https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/biocosmos-2025-0010   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No doubt this paper will be critiqued and disputed, but it is I think an   
   >>>> example of the ongoing scrutiny and developing fundamental challenges to   
   >>>> OoL. My prediction is these will continue to emerge, weakening   
   >>>> materialistic abiogenesis and strengthening ID's core claim.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> You have clearly still not grasped the principle that you cannot   
   >>> insist that *must have been* the butler who killed her ladyship simply   
   >>> because you have shown it is very unlikely that his lordship did it.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Nature simultaneously destroys what it (allegedly) creates. And it   
   >> destroys it faster than it (allegedly) creates it.   
   >   
   > If true then that means that the Intelligent Designer gets it wrong   
   > more often than he gets it right.   
   >   
      
   What's "wrong" about it? Do you think this universe was created to be   
   some kind of amusement park?   
      
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    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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