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   Message 141,127 of 142,579   
   RonO to RonO   
   Re: The ID perp claims about scientific    
   24 Jul 25 08:27:44   
   
   From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 7/3/2025 12:33 PM, RonO wrote:   
   > The ID perps have been claiming scientific censorship, probably, from   
   > the beginning of the ID creationist scams changing the name of Biblical   
   > creationism to intelligent design.  They are still yacking about   
   > censorship on their creationist news site.   
   >   
   > Are the ID perps being censored?  Their bogus IDiotic propaganda   
   > claiming to be able to teach the science of ID in the public schools is   
   > obviously still available to the rubes from their web site, and West   
   > Virginia and North Dakota recently took the bait and wanted to teach ID   
   > in their public schools, but it was the ID perps that self censored the   
   > West Virginia creationist rubes.  The West Virginia legislator added   
   > teaching ID to an existing act, but the ID perps were able to run the   
   > bait and switch and got her to drop any mention of ID and put in switch   
   > scam language instead.  The ID perps tell the rubes that the switch scam   
   > has nothing to do with intelligent design nor creationism, but the West   
   > Virginia creationist rube legislator that had bent over for the switch   
   > scam still claimed that the switch scam would allow teaching intelligent   
   > design in the West Virginia public schools.  Luskin had to tell her in   
   > no uncertain terms that the ID perps did not support teaching   
   > intelligent design in the public schools, and that the switch scam   
   > should not be allowed to be used to teach the creationist ID scam.   
   > Luskin is coauthor of the current teach ID scam propaganda that tells   
   > the rubes that it is still legal to teach ID in the public schools, and   
   > that the Kitzmiller federal court decision was wrong, and that there is   
   > a scientific theory of ID that can be taught in the public schools.   
   >   
   > For over 23 years the ID perps have self censored themselves.  Whenever   
   > any creationist rubes take the bait, they run the bait and switch and   
   > instead of giving the rubes the promised ID science all they get is an   
   > obfuscation and denial switch scam that doesn't mention that ID ever   
   > existed.  This is definitely self censorship.  The ID perps even tried   
   > to run the bait and switch on the Dover creationist rubes, but the Dover   
   > rubes were too stupid and dishonest to understand that the bait and   
   > switch was going down, just like the West Virginia legislator who did   
   > not understand what removing all mention of intelligent design from the   
   > act was supposed to do.   
   >   
   > Ron Okimoto   
   >   
   https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/a-century-after-the-scopes-tri   
   l-censoring-spirit-on-evolution-still-thrives/   
      
   The ID perp scam artists are stupidly claiming that the Scopes   
   censorship is still continuing.  In a way the creationist censorship is   
   still continuing.  The latest antics are to remove science topics that   
   they do not like from the public school science standards.  Kansas   
   creationists succeeded in removing the Big Bang, biological evolution,   
   and other things like radioisotopes from the chemistry standards.  Other   
   states like Texas and Oklahoma have talked about doing the same thing,   
   but the creationist censors have been talked down.   
      
   The saddest thing about the ID perps claiming to be censored is that the   
   bait and switch scam that they have been running for over 23 years is   
   obviously creationist self censorship (just like Scopes the creationists   
   are the censors).  The creationist ID perps sell the rubes on claims of   
   having the bogus ID science to teach in the public schools, but 100% of   
   the time any creationist rubes take them up on the scam the ID perps   
   self censor themselves and run the bait and switch and only give the   
   rubes an obfuscation and denial switch scam that they tell the rubes has   
   nothing to do with ID nor creationism.  Nearly all the rubes have not   
   bent over for the switch scam.  Most of them have dropped the issue   
   rather than bend over for the switch scam.  The few that did bend over   
   for the switch scam have tried to use the switch scam to sneak   
   creationism into their public schools.  The original draft of the Ohio   
   model lesson plan had creationist web links recommended for the teacher,   
   and those had to be removed from the final lesson plan.  Both Texas and   
   Louisiana tried to use their switch scam junk to teach creationism in   
   their public schools, and had to have the bait and switch run on them   
   again by the ID perps.  The most recent case had the West Virginia   
   legislator having the bait and switch run on her twice within a year.   
   The ID perps got her to remove mentioning ID, and replacing it with   
   switch scam language in her legislation, but she was too stupid to   
   understand that the bait and switch was going down, and she continued to   
   claim that ID could be taught in the public schools after the switch   
   scam was signed into law.  The ID perps had to run the bait and switch   
   on her again and tell her that they did not support teaching ID in the   
   public schools.  Luskin told her that, and he is a coauthor of the   
   current teach ID scam propaganda put out by the ID perps claiming that   
      
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