From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 7/25/2025 7:42 AM, Martin Harran wrote:   
   > On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 08:27:44 -0500, RonO    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 7/3/2025 12:33 PM, RonO wrote:   
   >>> The ID perps have been claiming scientific censorship, probably, from   
   >>> the beginning of the ID creationist scams changing the name of Biblical   
   >>> creationism to intelligent design.  They are still yacking about   
   >>> censorship on their creationist news site.   
   >>>   
   >>> Are the ID perps being censored?  Their bogus IDiotic propaganda   
   >>> claiming to be able to teach the science of ID in the public schools is   
   >>> obviously still available to the rubes from their web site, and West   
   >>> Virginia and North Dakota recently took the bait and wanted to teach ID   
   >>> in their public schools, but it was the ID perps that self censored the   
   >>> West Virginia creationist rubes.  The West Virginia legislator added   
   >>> teaching ID to an existing act, but the ID perps were able to run the   
   >>> bait and switch and got her to drop any mention of ID and put in switch   
   >>> scam language instead.  The ID perps tell the rubes that the switch scam   
   >>> has nothing to do with intelligent design nor creationism, but the West   
   >>> Virginia creationist rube legislator that had bent over for the switch   
   >>> scam still claimed that the switch scam would allow teaching intelligent   
   >>> design in the West Virginia public schools.  Luskin had to tell her in   
   >>> no uncertain terms that the ID perps did not support teaching   
   >>> intelligent design in the public schools, and that the switch scam   
   >>> should not be allowed to be used to teach the creationist ID scam.   
   >>> Luskin is coauthor of the current teach ID scam propaganda that tells   
   >>> the rubes that it is still legal to teach ID in the public schools, and   
   >>> that the Kitzmiller federal court decision was wrong, and that there is   
   >>> a scientific theory of ID that can be taught in the public schools.   
   >>>   
   >>> For over 23 years the ID perps have self censored themselves.  Whenever   
   >>> any creationist rubes take the bait, they run the bait and switch and   
   >>> instead of giving the rubes the promised ID science all they get is an   
   >>> obfuscation and denial switch scam that doesn't mention that ID ever   
   >>> existed.  This is definitely self censorship.  The ID perps even tried   
   >>> to run the bait and switch on the Dover creationist rubes, but the Dover   
   >>> rubes were too stupid and dishonest to understand that the bait and   
   >>> switch was going down, just like the West Virginia legislator who did   
   >>> not understand what removing all mention of intelligent design from the   
   >>> act was supposed to do.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ron Okimoto   
   >>>   
   >> https://evolutionnews.org/2025/07/a-century-after-the-scopes-   
   rial-censoring-spirit-on-evolution-still-thrives/   
   >   
   > That link returns "There has been a critical error on this website."   
   >   ROFLMAO   
      
   It is pretty amusing.  Other links to their web site are giving this   
   same error message.   
      
   Even the Discovery Institute's own links to the creationist news site   
   are giving this same message, so you can't even get there from the   
   Discovery Institute web page.   
      
   I got this link from their Research pull down menu.   
   https://evolutionnews.org/   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
   >   
   >>   
   >> The ID perp scam artists are stupidly claiming that the Scopes   
   >> censorship is still continuing.  In a way the creationist censorship is   
   >> still continuing.  The latest antics are to remove science topics that   
   >> they do not like from the public school science standards.  Kansas   
   >> creationists succeeded in removing the Big Bang, biological evolution,   
   >> and other things like radioisotopes from the chemistry standards.  Other   
   >> states like Texas and Oklahoma have talked about doing the same thing,   
   >> but the creationist censors have been talked down.   
   >>   
   >> The saddest thing about the ID perps claiming to be censored is that the   
   >> bait and switch scam that they have been running for over 23 years is   
   >> obviously creationist self censorship (just like Scopes the creationists   
   >> are the censors).  The creationist ID perps sell the rubes on claims of   
   >> having the bogus ID science to teach in the public schools, but 100% of   
   >> the time any creationist rubes take them up on the scam the ID perps   
   >> self censor themselves and run the bait and switch and only give the   
   >> rubes an obfuscation and denial switch scam that they tell the rubes has   
   >> nothing to do with ID nor creationism.  Nearly all the rubes have not   
   >> bent over for the switch scam.  Most of them have dropped the issue   
   >> rather than bend over for the switch scam.  The few that did bend over   
   >> for the switch scam have tried to use the switch scam to sneak   
   >> creationism into their public schools.  The original draft of the Ohio   
   >> model lesson plan had creationist web links recommended for the teacher,   
   >> and those had to be removed from the final lesson plan.  Both Texas and   
   >> Louisiana tried to use their switch scam junk to teach creationism in   
      
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