From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 7/25/2025 12:13 PM, erik simpson wrote:   
   > On 7/25/25 9:55 AM, IDentity wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 16:33:09 -0400, JTEM  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>   RonO wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> That ID is still successful as bait should should be   
   >>>   
   >>> How many people do you *Still* fool into believing that   
   >>> abiogenesis is real science, instead of a religious   
   >>> belief?   
   >>>   
   >>> There's no facts backing up abiogenesis, you simply like   
   >>> it.   
   >>>   
   >>> That's it.   
   >>   
   >> It's actually quite simple to prove that abiogenesis, as well as   
   >> evolution without intelligent control, is impossible, using   
   >> fundamental physical concepts and axioms.   
   >>   
   >> But not the current concepts and axioms which mainstream science is   
   >> built upon.  Most of these concepts and axioms, such as   
   >> thermodynamics, are fundamentally flawed and inconsistent with actual   
   >> reality.  Trying to prove a theory is wrong using the very same flawed   
   >> arguments which the theory is based on obviously doesn't lead   
   >> anywhere.   
   >>   
   >> So, the current scientific concepts and axioms need to be corrected   
   >> first, before there is any hope for real progress in science.  Many   
   >> are working on this now however,  so I guess it's only a matter of   
   >> time.   
   >>   
   > In what respect do you regard thermodynamics as fundamentally flawed? Do   
   > you use a refrigerator  or air conditioner?   
   >   
      
   It is the usual creationist projection.  Their use of thermodynamics has   
   always been fundamentally flawed, but they can't take responsibility for   
   that.  It has to be the thermodynamics that is the issue.  It seems   
   crazy that the creationist misconceptions still exist after decades of   
   failure for the creationist stupidity.  ID perps like Dembski tried to   
   revive the misconceptions about the second law and failed a couple   
   decades ago.  That burned out soon after the turn of the century. It is   
   amazing that there are still IDiots like IDentity when the bait and   
   switch is all that ID has been used for, for over 2 decades, and the ID   
   perps are running the bogus scam on their creationist support base.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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