From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   On 7/26/2025 2:27 PM, IDentity wrote:   
   > On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 10:13:55 -0700, erik simpson   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 7/25/25 9:55 AM, IDentity wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> So, the current scientific concepts and axioms need to be corrected   
   >>> first, before there is any hope for real progress in science.  Many   
   >>> are working on this now however,  so I guess it's only a matter of   
   >>> time.   
   >>>   
   >> In what respect do you regard thermodynamics as fundamentally flawed?   
   >> Do you use a refrigerator  or air conditioner?   
   >   
   > If you use the current flawed thermodynamics to predict the   
   > temperatures which are generated by these devices, you may find that   
   > they do no match the actual temperatures that are generated.  Flaw in   
   > 2nd law.   
   >   
      
   This is just as nuts as the fact that there are still creationist rubes   
   that do not understand that the bait and switch scam has been going down   
   on creationist rubes for over 2 decades.   
      
   Google on Laws and scientific theories:   
   QUOTE:   
   A scientific theory explains why something happens in the natural world,   
   while a scientific law describes what happens under specific conditions.   
   Theories are well-substantiated, comprehensive explanations of   
   phenomena, while laws are often concise statements or mathematical   
   equations summarizing observed patterns.   
   END QUOTE:   
      
   Laws are just found to exist in nature.  We do not have explanations for   
   why they exist, but we have determined that, that is the way things work   
   in nature.  Mendel had his laws, and later we had things like the   
   chromosome theory of inheritance.  I just reflected on my experience   
   with P Chem where I had to become overly familiar with thermodynamics.   
   The professor for that class was probably in his 60's and a full   
   professor in the Chemistry department.  He explained the difference   
   between scientific theories and laws by claiming that laws would be   
   theories if we could figure out why they exist.  Scientific theories are   
   our best explanations for things that we observe in nature.  They are   
   not what the ID perps are selling to the creationist rubes.  He   
   explained that the laws had been empirically derived and shown to   
   explain the behavior in specific systems, but we did not have an   
   explanation for why they explained what was happening in those systems.   
      
   This just means that your refrigerator example is bogus, and you should   
   understand that the laws actually are derived from how that refrigerator   
   has to work.  The laws just tell us how the refrigerator works, it   
   doesn't tell us why the refrigerator works that way.  The thermodynamics   
   creationist denial will never support your religious beliefs.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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