From: rokimoto557@gmail.com   
      
   https://evolutionnews.org/2025/08/why-scientists-lie/   
      
   This seems to be an obvious projection piece from the ID perps.  They   
   claim that scientists lie for recognition.  This is true in a lot of   
   cases, but it takes a really stupid and incompetent scientists to think   
   that they can get away with it.  The type that they have at the   
   Discovery Institute that make their living by lying about the science.   
      
   It doesn't take a genius to understand that you can't lie about   
   something in science and expect to get away with it unless the lie is so   
   inconsequential that no one checks it out.  The type that tell these   
   inconsequential lies are like the ID perps and probably only in it to   
   make a living by supporting a stupid bait and switch scam like ID has   
   been for over 2 decades.   
      
   The "scientists" that cheat and lie like the ID perps are usually in it   
   for the money.  Guys like Sternberg, Dembski, Meyer, and Luskin likely   
   can't get an honest job any longer with their ID "science" record.  The   
   guys that resort to paper mills and scamming the system to publish   
   rubbish know that they aren't advancing their science careers.  They are   
   only in it to keep their jobs and maybe get a raise.   
      
   Nelson likely never had a real job after graduate school.  He is also   
   the ID perp that admitted that the ID science had never existed before   
   Dover after he and his fellow ID perps had started running the bait and   
   switch on their hapless creationist support base.  Nelson likely   
   understood from the beginning that he was only in the ID scam to use ID   
   as bait in order to support the ID perp's Wedge goals.  Nelson likely   
   never wanted the ID perps to accomplish any valid science of any kind   
   relative to the creation.  It all would have just been more science to   
   deny for a YEC like Nelson.  Nelson was happy to lie about the science   
   in order to support his religious beliefs.  He never expected to   
   accomplish any valid science.   
      
   The ID perps are likely using this article to make them feel better   
   about how dishonest the ID scam has always been.  From the very   
   beginning of the name change of creationism to intelligent design in Of   
   Pandas and People the scam artists have known what the ID scam has   
   always been.  Thaxton was editor of that ID scam text.  Kenyon was one   
   of the main authors.  Meyer wrote the teachers notes for the book, and   
   Behe admitted to writing some of the book, but was not credited.  All of   
   them were among the original fellow of the ID scam unit at the Discovery   
   Institute.  Most of the book was written before the Supreme court ruled   
   that no creation science existed that was worth calling science, so they   
   all knew that what was in that book was never going to pass as science   
   even with the name change.  The name change was only made to keep the   
   science denial alive.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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