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   > controlled and even-tempered, and certainly open-minded.  Exactly what a   
   > good researcher should be.  Peltzer gives example after example of   
   > naturalist failings, which the reply above completely ignores and goes   
   > off on the usual rant.  I don't find that unexpected, but I do find it   
   > rather boring and irrelevant.   
   >   
      
   Alas, at the risk of passing irrevocably through the gates of Old   
   Fartdom, I have to inform you that talk.origins is a pale shadow of its   
   former self. The halcyon days of moonstones, the felt effect of gravity,   
   and woodpecker tongues are never to be revisited. So don't get your   
   hopes up.   
   You are correct that Ron tends to view everything through the lens of,   
   as he puts it, the ID scam. To give Ron his due, Mark E sometimes posts   
   material that doesn't contain overt religious assertion, but fear not:   
   they're almost certainly lurking just below the surface. The stuff above   
   is a fair example: Peltzer IS an accomplished chemist. But he's also an   
   IDist, and his testimony in Kansas really was (again Ron is correct   
   here) a God of the gaps argument.   
      
   One thing you might do, is look at the TO website (talkorigins.org).   
   It's not been updated since the Permian, but there are a bunch of   
   excellent articles there under "Post of the Month".   
      
   Now get off my lawn!   
      
   Chris   
      
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