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   > controlled and even-tempered, and certainly open-minded.  Exactly what a   
   > good researcher should be.  Peltzer gives example after example of   
   > naturalist failings, which the reply above completely ignores and goes   
   > off on the usual rant.  I don't find that unexpected, but I do find it   
   > rather boring and irrelevant.   
      
   If you understood the issue you would know that the original post was a   
   religious attack on science in general.  The subject of the post is a   
   known old earth anti-evolution creationist.  He is known to be into the   
   god-of-the-gaps IDiotic denial due to his religious beliefs, and uses   
   his anti-science views to support those religious beliefs while claiming   
   that it is all science based.  This applies to the poster.  MarkE and   
   Peltzer only support the IDiotic gap denial because of their religious   
   beliefs.  They only object the the science that they believe goes   
   against their Biblical beliefs.  Biological evolution and the actual   
   origin of life on earth is not mentioned in the Bible, and the origin of   
   life and subsequent evolution of that life over billions of years is   
   incompatible with the 6 days of creation described in the Bible even if   
   the 6 days are taken as 6 periods of time, so the two deny the existing   
   science.   
      
   The IDiots use the same god-of-the-gaps arguments that the scientific   
   creationists used decades before the ID creationist scam existed.  The   
   gap denial was always just science denial to support the creationist's   
   Biblical beliefs.  Neither the Scientific creationists nor the IDiots   
   use the gap denial to build any type of coherent Biblical creation   
   scenario because the gaps never supported the Biblical creation.  Each   
   gap denial argument has always been used as a fire and forget attack on   
   science.  It just allows creationists to lie to themselves for the   
   moment, and they need to forget about that gap in order to lie to   
   themselves about the next gap.   
      
   If Peltzer is able to verify that his god diddle farted around with the   
   earth over 3 billion years ago to create the initial lifeforms, he would   
   have to deny that god's existence because that god would not be the   
   Biblical god that started life on earth with land plants during the 3rd   
   period of time.  It would not be the god that evolved that original   
   lifeform as microbes for over 2 billion years before evolving   
   multicellular life, and land plants would not evolve from fresh water   
   algae until long after there were sea creatures that are supposed to   
   have been created the day after land plants.   
      
   Peltzer is only in the argument for the denial.  He doesn't want to fill   
   the gap with anything.  It is just a way that creationist lie to   
   themselves about reality.  Nature just is not Biblical, and the   
   creationists that have accepted that fact do not have an issue with the   
   origin of life on this planet because it could have happened any way   
   possible.  An ID perp like Denton just believes that his god set up the   
   initial conditions and it all unfolded into what we have today.   
      
   MarkE kept defending the gap denial after most of the other IDiotic   
   creationist quit supporting the ID creationist scam on TO.  The ID perps   
   put out their "Top Six" best evidences for the ID scam in Nov. 2017, and   
   most of the regular IDiotic posters quit the ID scam in 2018.  They all   
   realized that they had never wanted the ID perps to accomplish any ID   
   science.  It would just be more science for them to deny.  The Top Six   
   were given to the rubes in the order in which they must have occurred in   
   this universe, and that order is not Biblical, so most of the IDiots   
   could no longer support the ID scam.  The Big Bang occurred over 13   
   billion years ago, and the fine tuning would have had to occur during   
   and after the Big Bang.  It would take around 8 billion years for just   
   the right amounts of elements to be created by dying stars to form our   
   solar system and fine tune the earth to be suitable for life.  The   
   origin of life would occur over 3 billion years ago.  The flagellum   
   would evolve over a billion years ago when all life was still microbial.   
     The Cambrian explosion would have occurred over half a billion years   
   ago, long before land plants evolved (the angiosperms listed in the   
   Bible would not evolve until dinos were walking around).  The gaps in   
   the human fossil record occur in just the last 10 million years of the   
   evolution of life on earth.   
      
   Most of the IDiots posting on TO could not support the god responsible   
   for the Top Six gap arguments for intelligent design, and they quit the   
   ID scam.  Bill claimed that he had never supported the ID scam when he   
   had joined TO as an ID supporter.  Kalk claimed that he was going to   
   concentrate on other aspects of his religious beliefs, and Pagano quit   
   posting after claiming that the Top Six were not the best evidence for   
   the ID scam even though the ID perps at the Discovery Institute had put   
   out the list.  The origin of life gap is #3, and is not Biblical, and   
   does not support the Biblical god.  Peltzer and MarkE are only using the   
   denial in order to lie to themselves about reality they do not want any   
   god filling that gap.  We had a creationists posting on TO years ago   
   named Ray, and Ray would have called that god a false god because that   
   god is not the one described in the Bible.  A lot of Biblical   
   creationists understand that nature is not Biblical, but they need to   
   lie to themselves about that reality in order to support their religious   
   beliefs.  Most of the IDiotic posters on TO could no longer lie to   
   themselves about the gap denial when they had their faces rubed in the   
   fact that they had never wanted the ID perps to succeed in producing any   
   valid ID science, such science would just be more science to deny.   
      
   Peltzer is only into evolution and origin of life denial because he   
   believes that they are inconsistent with his Biblical beliefs.  Denial   
   and lying to themselves about reality are the only goals of such   
   Biblical creationists.  MarkE and Peltzer do not want to fill the gaps   
   with any god, they are only interested in the denial.  MarkE refuses to   
   explain how he would cope with filling the gap with some god when that   
   god is not the one described in the Bible.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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