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   >> Evolution he was taught.  Though he does speak of the very big   
   >> problems science has to overcome in OoL research, he is kind enough to   
   >> offer an explanation of how he thinks evolution minded scientists   
   >> should proceed in the future.  Where progress might be found.  He   
   >> seems fairly controlled and even-tempered, and certainly open-minded.   
   >> Exactly what a good researcher should be.  Peltzer gives example after   
   >> example of naturalist failings, which the reply above completely   
   >> ignores and goes off on the usual rant.  I don't find that unexpected,   
   >> but I do find it rather boring and irrelevant.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Alas, at the risk of passing irrevocably through the gates of Old   
   > Fartdom, I have to inform you that talk.origins is a pale shadow of its   
   > former self. The halcyon days of moonstones, the felt effect of gravity,   
   > and woodpecker tongues are never to be revisited. So don't get your   
   > hopes up.   
   > You are correct that Ron tends to view everything through the lens of,   
   > as he puts it, the ID scam. To give Ron his due, Mark E sometimes posts   
   > material that doesn't contain overt religious assertion, but fear not:   
   > they're almost certainly lurking just below the surface. The stuff above   
   > is a fair example: Peltzer IS an accomplished chemist. But he's also an   
   > IDist, and his testimony in Kansas really was (again Ron is correct   
   > here) a God of the gaps argument.   
   >   
   > One thing you might do, is look at the TO website (talkorigins.org).   
   > It's not been updated since the Permian, but there are a bunch of   
   > excellent articles there under "Post of the Month".   
   >   
   > Now get off my lawn!   
   >   
   > Chris   
   >   
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   It may be difficult to believe at this point in the anti-science efforts   
   of Biblical creationists, but in years past some of them actually tried   
   to support their Biblical beliefs with more than gap denial, but as   
   Peltzer and MarkE are indicators of there turned out to be no viable   
   support for Biblical creationism to be had.  The remnants are left with   
   the obfuscation and denial that will never support their Biblical beliefs.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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