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   Scam junk like irreducible complexity is likely not what you think that   
   it is.  Behe had already admitted that IC systems could evolve by   
   natural means by the turn of the century.  The argument is only meant to   
   fool the creationist rubes into supporting the ID perp's Wedge strategy.   
     Most of the creationist support for the ID scam still comes from the   
   YEC, and young earth creationists would never accept any verification of   
   any of Behe's IC systems.  Behe claims that his type of IC systems   
   cannot evolve by natural means, and that they are not the type that can   
   evolve by natural means, but he hasn't figured out how to tell the two   
   types apart.  He has resorted to claiming that 3 neutral mutations found   
   in any protein that created a new function would be his type of IC, so   
   interacting protein parts are no longer needed.  The kicker is that Behe   
   has acknowledged that researchers have found 2 neutral mutations needed   
   to create a new function, and he acknowledges their success, but claims   
   that it is on the edge of evolution.  2 neutral mutations are still   
   expected to be routine in a population of around 100 million   
   individuals, and the examples have been found in populations numbering   
   in the trillions.  YEC would never accept finding these 3 neutral   
   mutations in the bacterial flagellum.  In order to verify that 3 neutral   
   mutations were needed you need to reconstruct the ancestral protein   
   sequence and determine that 3 neutral mutations occurred to create the   
   new function.  As noted this has been done to identify 2 neutral   
   mutations, but verifying the 3 would mean that Behe had verified the   
   evolution of the flagellum over a billion years ago and it evolved from   
   preexisting parts that had to change in order to evolve the new   
   function.  This would be rejected by all YEC, and even a lot of old   
   earth creationists who still want the order of creation of life to be   
   Biblical, when the Biblical order of creation of life on earth has been   
   known to be wrong for over a century.   
      
   Ron Okimoto   
      
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