From: me22over7@gmail.com   
      
   On 27/08/2025 1:11 am, sticks wrote:   
   > On 8/25/2025 9:23 PM, Chris Thompson wrote:   
   >   
   > ---snip---   
   >   
   >> Alas, at the risk of passing irrevocably through the gates of Old   
   >> Fartdom, I have to inform you that talk.origins is a pale shadow of   
   >> its former self. The halcyon days of moonstones, the felt effect of   
   >> gravity, and woodpecker tongues are never to be revisited. So don't   
   >> get your hopes up.   
   >> You are correct that Ron tends to view everything through the lens of,   
   >> as he puts it, the ID scam. To give Ron his due, Mark E sometimes   
   >> posts material that doesn't contain overt religious assertion, but   
   >> fear not: they're almost certainly lurking just below the surface. The   
   >> stuff above is a fair example: Peltzer IS an accomplished chemist. But   
   >> he's also an IDist, and his testimony in Kansas really was (again Ron   
   >> is correct here) a God of the gaps argument.   
   >>   
   >> One thing you might do, is look at the TO website (talkorigins.org).   
   >> It's not been updated since the Permian, but there are a bunch of   
   >> excellent articles there under "Post of the Month".   
   >>   
   >> Now get off my lawn!   
   >>   
   >> Chris   
   >   
   > I shall find time to go to talkorigins.org.  Thank you.   
   > I'll also keep an eye out for those references to the God of the Gaps to   
   > see how specifically it is referred to in this group.  It seems people   
   > view this concept differently.   
   >   
   > BTW, I'm back on the sidewalk now.   
   >   
      
   If you're interested, here are t.o topics that give some context in   
   relation to the comments in this thread and where I'm coming from.   
      
   - A summary of my own position and approach, and similar from others:   
      
   "Why do you participate here?"   
   https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/8fuyuKN4VhE/m/xUYwSeYQAQAJ   
      
   - A proposal on handling scientific evidence and avoiding a   
   god-of-the-gaps error:   
      
   "Terms of Engagement?"   
   https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/Q0H4U47iYgk/m/2fprGczIBwAJ   
      
   An example of an assessment of some reasonably current OOL science   
   commentary which IMO is revealing of how overstated progress in this   
   field is:   
      
   "Excellent presentation by Bruce Damer and Dave Deamer"   
   https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/HMw_ZoXIIOc/m/GhDNtzHcAAAJ   
      
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